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WHAT A BOLT IS, AND HOW IT WORKS
"TeGGeR®" > wrote
> "Elle" > wrote > > "TeGGeR®" > wrote > > >> > >> > >> I noticed that too. She's awful quick to get angry at somebody. > > > > When you implicate a person as a liar (which you often do) > > > > You are exhibiting signs of being unbalanced. > > > > > or accuse > > them of dissembling about their experience, you shouldn't be surprised > > that they get a little hostile. > > > And unbalanced people ignore apologies. You're entitled to your judgment. <shrug> > You'll notice an apology appeared in this thread once I realized I'd > misunderstood your "multiple clicks" statment. Up to that point it did > appear to me that you were embellishing your personal experience. > > > > > > It's nothing like the venom that comes through your site when you > > insist on posting a dispute between a few people there, unrelated to > > actually repairing Hondas. > > > The debate referred to on my Web site was a PUBLIC affair, conducted in > this very PUBLIC newsgroup. > > You will notice I have made absolutely no reference (until now) to the > PRIVATE emails exchanged between you and me on the subject of this thread. You sent me one email, which was tactful and polite. The bulk of it was a reproduction of an interesting exchange you had with one of the boltscience.com guys. I responded back, with a single email, saying something about how I thought trying to get at the truth was a good idea, explaining my position again, with the understanding we wouldn't agree, and so also offering you choices so as many people would benefit as possible from our two sites. I hope my response was also tactful and polite. If not, oh well. Publication of that exchange doesn't bother me at all, unless publication is at a site that's suppose to focus on helping people fix their Honda cars. (Regardless, it's your site. You have the right to put up anything you want there, within the bounds of the law, which obviously you are completely within. I'm just telling you how I feel. And what am I? Peon, man.) You also don't reproduce my position accurately at your site. That bothers me yada. Don't be, I dunno, shy about accepting this offer to just take from my site what you'd like and putting it up at your site. I am so not into money or getting credit on an issue like this. What's important IMO is that we agree the point is to provide a kind of community service. Also, it compels me to learn more, and that's fun, pure and simple. I have no problem leaving my site up for a week or so while you copy and paste what you want. For what the offer is worth. I don't want you angry over this. I regret the argument, though I don't think it was preventable for various reasons. For the record, here's the last few paragraphs of what I emailed you several days ago, in response to your own polite, tactful note. --- As for your site, I don't know if you changed it to emphasize air impact tools or not, but in fact, I do not think air impact tools should have priority over pulley holder tools. Maybe equal standing. Or it just depends on what one has in one's garage at the moment. There are other technical things I'm not wild about, like the PCV valve discussion. (You and I duked this out a while back, while I was posting under another name, as I think you are aware.) But to me the things above on the site would be tolerable were it not also for the posting of a debate between you and me (not rendering my position very well at that). It is distracting for the pulley bolt part of your site. It's unrelated to the repair itself, which is why I think most people (probably mostly in a hurry) go to your site in the first place. Other homemade, personal honda sites don't inject debate into them. I think that's why they're so praiseworthy and really to me are such a joy to read: They overwhelm with sincerity (as in the first priority is to help others, not have a fight) and "just the facts" of what was done or needs to be done in a repair. Speculation is generally avoided. Debate between two named individuals does not occur. I took my site down and changed the pulley tool site's address, then put it back up, expecting you wouldn't link to it. Seeing you did link it, I took it down again, for the reasons I give above. As I said before, if you want to take /any/ of what I did at this site and rework it for your own needs, that's fine. But I don't want my name attached to it. Just call me "some person." Mostly that's just to get the debate off your own site. Let me know and I'll put it back up for a few days or until you can take from it whatever you want. Not that it's anything special. And, sure, your own far more extensive site does way way way more good than bad. Otherwise, you don't need a honda repair peon like me picking away at a site that, like I say, helps so many. FWIW, I agree the pulley bolt discussion has borne fruit. Also, the recent igniter and condenser discussion was fantastic. I took off my distributor housing today, as much to clean out under there, as it had gotten pretty oily-grimy for various reasons which I've since corrected, but also to find this radio noise condenser. I swear my 91 Civic, like Jim's 91 CRX distributor, also does not have one. I am baffled but not annoyed. I have some other ideas and will explore them. The journey is as fun as the destination, as they say, in these endeavors. --- > You also seem to have forgotten that I PUBLICLY removed the opinion page > that you didn't like, That paragraph (or paragraphs) you have there (or at least still did yesterday) are still way over the top, distracting and detracting from your site and its goals, in my opinion. And it's /only/ my opinion. These sites take a lot of time and effort to put together. Again, IMO you should take note of how many people praise your efforts there and how much good the 'Unofficial Honda FAQ Site' does. The hell with my efforts. |
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WHAT A BOLT IS, AND HOW IT WORKS
Elle wrote:
> You sent me one email, which was tactful and polite. Please, guys, this has been what should be a private discussion now for some time. None of us here in the public forum need to see this. Please take it off the NG. Thanks. Abe |
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to change a Honda Accord 1988 model timing belt
> Elle Nov 4, 12:09 pm show options
> > "SoCalMike" > wrote > > > Burt S. wrote: > > > If the bolt doesn't tighten itself on a part that has > > > a potential for play then their is a potential for the > > > bolt to unwind. Either stake it, castlenut/cotter pin > > > it or in this case use a one-way threaded bolt. > > > interesting... > > > now if THIS doesnt "muddy the water" i dunno what will > > > a one way threaded bolt that relies on the pulley moving > > to tighten it... whoda thunk it? > > Dunno. > > Burt, I am not convinced that the pulley bolt's > threads are cut such that the vibrations of the back > and forth motion of the pulley tighten it. I am not > finding anything of this nature described on the web, > and it doesn't exactly pass the common sense test. I > don't have a good bolt textbook, either, so my > engineering texts treat this only generally. (Usual > disclaimer: No engineer knows anything special, > anyway.) > > However, Burt, your discussion of how much force the > pulley applies to the bolt head during operation does > provoke thought. If that bolt weren't there, that > pulley would go flying off, right? So of course the > pulley exerts a force, and surely a sizable one, on > the underside of the bolt head. (I think Tegger and > Jim touched upon this reality, too. I was a little > focused on stretching by thermal effects and should > have considered stretching by mechanical effects.) > > The question to me is whether then the force is enough > to stretch the bolt. If so, then of course since > stretching a bolt is a known means of reducing its > diameter, then the crankshaft will tend to screw up on > the bolt. (Note for total newbies: Industry uses > hydraulic devices to literally stretch certain bolts, > screw them into place, then release the hydraulic > pressure, all to achieve a certain force.) > > Once the crankshaft stops rotating, the bolt > stretching ceases, the bolt length collapses as much > as the thread engagement allows, and it will have a > higher axial load in it, translating to a higher > torque to free the bolt. > > The higher torque won't necessarily translate to axial > loads that are standard, since the threads of the > pulley bolt are non-standard in at least one way: > Super fine threads. > > Burt, I don't want to buy a new pulley bolt, and I > want to minimize taking my Civic's bolt off and > putting it on. I may free it in the next month or so, > when I have a tire rotation to do, torque it to spec, > paint a line across pulley and bolt, then monitor the > line. Elle, how frequently are your class rooms filled with laughter? .. |
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