UAVs for traffic enforcement

On 2010-06-15, lil abner <> wrote:

> There were several old 30s road signs that read resume safe speed,
> outside towns.

http://www.archive.org/details/wreckless

1935 film. No speed limit outside of the town apparently.

> The Interstate System was untended to handle 100+ miles per hour
> initially.

http://americanautobahn.piratenews.o...speedsells.jpg

"You Have to Slow Down to 90 for the Curves"

Comfortable limited access highway driving in the 1930s.

On 2010-06-15, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:

> Consider--look what happens driving the speed limit, then going into a curve
> or a sharper turn. Very little lateral pull forces, gentle forces at most,
> usually quite non-existent if the curve has banking. Negligible vehicle
> chassis lean. Tires are at no risk whatsoever of losing traction. That means
> full control over the vehicle going in and out of the turn.

Actually, come to think of it now, on interstates and decently
built limited access highways any reasonably modern car in good
condition that isn't some cheap little thing should feel that way at
speeds of a 100mph or so.

On Jun 15, 9:29*am, Brent > wrote:
> On 2010-06-15, lil abner <> wrote:
>
> > There were several old *30s road signs that read resume safe speed,
> > outside towns.
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/wreckless
>
> 1935 film. No speed limit outside of the town apparently.
>
> > The Interstate System was untended to handle 100+ miles per hour
> > initially.
>
> http://americanautobahn.piratenews.o...speedsells.jpg
>
> "You Have to Slow Down to 90 for the Curves"
>
> Comfortable limited access highway driving in the 1930s.

I don't know how many of the older sections of the PA Turnpike still
exist in unmodified form, but the older sections extant when I was a
kid looked far different, and *less* suitable for high speed (only two
lanes each direction, narrower lanes/shoulders, somewhat sharper/less
superelevated curves, etc.) than your average modern Interstate
highway.

So the roads have become much better, the vehicles driving on them
more capable, BUT...

nate

In article >, necromancer - ECHM wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:43:36 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
> wrote:
>
>>"T.J. Higgins" > wrote in message
...
>>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>>
>>>
><http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>>
>>Fine by me.
>>
>>The speed limit need not be set by the 85th (or higher) percentile of the
>>fastest/most reckless drivers out there. It's clear enough to me that the
>>speed limits are posted adequately so anything the government can do to
>>ensure compliance with the posted limits gets approval from me.
>
>And just what do we do when your precious UAV detects a speeder (sic)?
>Fire a heat seeking missle at them?

The article said the UAV would be used to get the license
plate number of the speeding vehicle. I wonder if a polarized
plate cover would be an effective countermeasure...

--
TJH

tjhiggin.at.hiwaay.dot.net

On Jun 15, 12:03*am, Alan Baker > wrote:
>
> The fastest and most reckless drivers out there *don't* set the speed
> limits, Daniel. You're simply assuming that faster than average equates
> to "reckless" where the people who actually understand the issue have
> said the exact opposite.

Usenet rule: You make a claim: you provide the support.

The evidence is sufficient to conclude you don't read good.
-----

- gpsman

T.J. Higgins wrote:
> In article >, necromancer - ECHM wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:43:36 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "T.J. Higgins" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>> Fine by me.
>>>
>>> The speed limit need not be set by the 85th (or higher) percentile of the
>>> fastest/most reckless drivers out there. It's clear enough to me that the
>>> speed limits are posted adequately so anything the government can do to
>>> ensure compliance with the posted limits gets approval from me.
>> And just what do we do when your precious UAV detects a speeder (sic)?
>> Fire a heat seeking missle at them?
>
> The article said the UAV would be used to get the license
> plate number of the speeding vehicle. I wonder if a polarized
> plate cover would be an effective countermeasure...
>
Maybe that s why they are making auto makers put the license plates
chest high on vehicles.
It makes a vehicle almost as ugly as the 2 ft wide European plates.

In article
>,
gpsman > wrote:

> On Jun 15, 12:03*am, Alan Baker > wrote:
> >
> > The fastest and most reckless drivers out there *don't* set the speed
> > limits, Daniel. You're simply assuming that faster than average equates
> > to "reckless" where the people who actually understand the issue have
> > said the exact opposite.
>
> Usenet rule: You make a claim: you provide the support.

Then I'll wait for him to support his claim.

>
> The evidence is sufficient to conclude you don't read good.

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

On Jun 15, 1:31*pm, Alan Baker > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *gpsman > wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 12:03*am, Alan Baker > wrote:
>
> > > The fastest and most reckless drivers out there *don't* set the speed
> > > limits, Daniel. You're simply assuming that faster than average equates
> > > to "reckless" where the people who actually understand the issue have
> > > said the exact opposite.
>
> > Usenet rule: You make a claim: you provide the support.
>
> Then I'll wait for him to support his claim.
>
>
>
> > The evidence is sufficient to conclude you don't read good.
>
> LOL

What is this, you figure you're taking your turn in the barrel? You
won't ever get gpstard to change his opinions, unique though they may
be.

nate

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:08:04 -0400, lil abner > wrote:

>T.J. Higgins wrote:
>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>
>PRESSURE FROM WHOM?
>

those who gain power, money or both. That's why the cops like just
about every new toy, it increases their power and increases their
budget. And company's making this stuff push for it because it's one
more sale, they could care less about the value to the citizens.

>The Citizens of the United States have expressed no desire what so ever
>for big brother or remote surveillance vehicles.
>Do we still own this Country?
>Do we still run this Country?
>Is everyone going to forget who cheered and clapped when the Mexican
>President bitch slapped America and Americans before a joint session of
>Congress?
>Is everyone going to forget the Banking Debacle and who gave the Banks
>the power over the Citizens of the United States?

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:43:36 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
> wrote:

>
>"T.J. Higgins" > wrote in message
...
>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>
>> <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>
>Fine by me.
>
>The speed limit need not be set by the 85th (or higher) percentile of the
>fastest/most reckless drivers out there. It's clear enough to me that the
>speed limits are posted adequately so anything the government can do to
>ensure compliance with the posted limits gets approval from me.
>
>Consider--look what happens driving the speed limit, then going into a curve
>or a sharper turn. Very little lateral pull forces, gentle forces at most,
>usually quite non-existent if the curve has banking. Negligible vehicle
>chassis lean. Tires are at no risk whatsoever of losing traction. That means
>full control over the vehicle going in and out of the turn.
>
>The same cannot be said of exceeding the speed limit, where the laterals are
>noticeable, the vehicle chassis leans, the tires may even start to make
>audible noises that they are losing traction. Clearly, the fastest and most
>reckless drivers out there should not determine the speed limit.
>
>So if the car, SUV, motorcycle, and/or helicopter law enforcement can't or
>won't do their job sufficiently, I see absolutely no problem with the
>unmanned drones doing the extra work.


You are either incredibly stupid or a troll.