Consider buying American!

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>
> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> car.
>

American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
business
that way and compete on a world wide economy.

A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made
car with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

t

tater wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>
> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
> business that way and compete on a world wide economy.

It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

Tony Harding wrote:
> tater wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>> themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible
>> to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

It is very true. The top management in GM should be blamed. GM
assemble line workers do not make much more than assemble line worker in
TOYOTA. They just assemble what have been planed and designed by
management. The top management in GM take home a huge salary and bouns
compare to TOYOTA or HONDA top management.

"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ...
> tater wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible to do
>> business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.

Anybody remembers what was in the news some years ago about
Jesse Jackson accusations to Nissan of racism ? Was it workers
hiring process related? I forgot the details...

on 2/12/2008 1:54 PM Pszemol said the following:
> "Tony Harding" > wrote in message
> ...
>> tater wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>>
>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>>
>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>>> themselves
>>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not
>>> possible to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>>
>> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American
>> workers and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.
>
> Anybody remembers what was in the news some years ago about
> Jesse Jackson accusations to Nissan of racism ? Was it workers
> hiring process related? I forgot the details...

The Nissan factory in Japan was only hiring Japanese.

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Tony Harding wrote:

> tater wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>> themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible
>> to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.


Yes... Getting in bed with the union back in the 1960's, 1970's and
1980's. Now, the cowz have come home to roost..

JT

In article >,
tater > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
> >
> > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
> >
> > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> > they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> > car.
> >

> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
> themselves right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not
> possible to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.

It's not possible for a country like the US to compete *at all* in the
world wide economy if you think the workforce wage cost is the only
important factor. You simply couldn't pay anyone as little as a Chinese
labourer as they couldn't even afford to buy food at US prices. Or
accommodation. Etc.

> A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
> didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made car
> with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

> When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
> a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

Thing I've never understood is why the American cars we get in the UK - at
a far higher price than in the US - have such very poor interiors. Cheap
plastics etc. After all UK (Euro) Fords and Vauxhalls are ok.

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"still just me" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:38:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
>>> a competitive price I'll take a look at them.
>
> Geez, I some people want everything. Just buy American, fill it with
> $40b Exxon gas, and stop ur whining! Don't you understand that there
> are CEO salaries at stake here?
>
> On a lighter note, when GM Management gets a friggin clue they might
> be able to make some money. Don't expect it in the foreseeable future.
> They've only made it this far due to inertia.
>
>>Thing I've never understood is why the American cars we get in the UK - at
>>a far higher price than in the US - have such very poor interiors. Cheap
>>plastics etc. After all UK (Euro) Fords and Vauxhalls are ok.
>
> I though Vauxhall was a GM brand now (?)

Yes that's the odd thing - Ford and GM actually make some quite good cars in
Europe these days, and to be fair many EU marques had horrifying reputations
a generation ago: -

Citroen - over complex, unrepairable.
Fiat - rust
BL - everything
Skoda - "the worst new cars sold in Britain - Car Magazine"
etc.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:16:22 GMT, "tater" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
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>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>
>American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>next coffee break is than making quality cars.

It's not the union worker's fault. You could hire a team of Formula 1
mechanics to disassemble and reassemble a Detroit 3 car and it would
still be a piece of crap.

In article >,
still just me > wrote:
> >Thing I've never understood is why the American cars we get in the UK - at
> >a far higher price than in the US - have such very poor interiors. Cheap
> >plastics etc. After all UK (Euro) Fords and Vauxhalls are ok.

> I though Vauxhall was a GM brand now (?)

Has been for a very long time.

The point I was making is US cars sold in the UK are priced for the UK
market - ie about double what they cost in the US. So similar to locally
produced vehicles. But the quality is very much worse.

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