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  #21  
Old May 26th 05, 05:32 AM
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On 25 May 2005 17:08:51 -0700, "Mike Tantillo" >
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>>Keep right except to pass doesn't apply since its a special lane.

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> I just *love* how people make up rules to suit themselves...


here's a serious question: i wonder if caltrans agrees with you that this is
a made up exception to the law.

anyone know?

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Old May 26th 05, 06:42 AM
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Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> On 25 May 2005 17:08:51 -0700, "Mike Tantillo" >
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>>Keep right except to pass doesn't apply since its a special lane.

>
> I just *love* how people make up rules to suit themselves...


Somebody is off of their meds today . . .
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Old May 26th 05, 06:46 AM
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brink wrote:

> "Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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>>On 25 May 2005 17:08:51 -0700, "Mike Tantillo" >
>>wrote:
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>>>Keep right except to pass doesn't apply since its a special lane.

>>
>>I just *love* how people make up rules to suit themselves...

>
> here's a serious question: i wonder if caltrans agrees with you that this is
> a made up exception to the law.
>
> anyone know?
>
> brink


I don't know about Caltrans, but CHP doesn't. They are often
quoted as saying that those who back off a bit when the flow
of traffic in the HOV lane is 50+ mph more than that of the
normal lanes are far less likely to trigger a big accident.
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Old May 26th 05, 04:06 PM
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> Be honest, now: hard hard is it to just speed up a little bit?


> So speed up to 90. What usually ends up happening is you catch up to
> the Sloth in front of you, forcing to to slow down anyway. However, at
> least YOU were not the asshole.


So much like the sloths you complain about, everyone has to do the same
thing as you?

That's so MFFY.

Dave

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Old May 26th 05, 05:12 PM
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 23:27:52 -0500, "brink" >
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>>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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>>>>But, realistically, how? If the front motorist in the HOV lane is
>>>>only doing 65 and holding up a dozen others behind him, how can he
>>>>effectively pull into the 10 mph traffic on the regular lanes without
>>>>either: a) first nearly coming to a complete stop in the HOV lane in
>>>>order to switch into the nearly-stopped traffic, or b) cause a massive
>>>>pile-up which will make EVERYONE late for work...?
>>>
>>> Then this inconsiderate **** needs to a) speed the **** up, or b) not
>>> get into the HOV lane in the first place.
>>>
>>> The purpose of the HOV lane is to reward drivers of low pollution/high
>>> efficiency vehicles by letting them travel on the highway unimpeded.
>>> Having some inconsiderate Sloth blocking the road defeats the whole
>>> purpose of having an HOV lane.

>>
>>for the most part i agree... but i dunno, it can be pretty hard to get in
>>and get out of the HOV lanes when the differential of speed is 40 MPH
>>plus,
>>*especially* if you're going to let a bunch of people pass.

>
> Be honest, now: hard hard is it to just speed up a little bit?


it's not hard and i don't mind going around 75 MPH or so, which is where i
usually cruise, 70-75 in a 65. i'm fine with that, comfortable there, i
figure i have relatively low chance of being pulled over for that as long as
i'm driving considerately otherwise.

> People will show "consideration" by stopping dead to let someone cut
> in front of them, but showing TRUE consideration by speeding up or
> getting out of the way of faster traffic never enters these peoples'
> minds.


the problem of course is that the latter is ticketed far more than the
former and california speeding tickets are draconian...

>>that's why i don't think the "you must *always* let faster traffic pass"
>>mantra just can't apply so dogmatically in HOV lanes... because in this
>>scenario the guy who's doing 80 MPH needs to cut into the 25 MPH traffic
>>to
>>let the 90 MPH guy by.

>
> So speed up to 90. What usually ends up happening is you catch up to
> the Sloth in front of you, forcing to to slow down anyway. However, at
> least YOU were not the asshole.


i can give you 300+ reasons not to do this... (more once you figure
insurance into the equation)... ;-)

>
>>> Obviously you're just full of hyperbole. If it were really as
>>> difficult to accomplish as you say, then there would be a massive
>>> pileup every time someone in the carpool lane reached their exit.

>>
>>this is true... my original scenario makes it sound like it's dang near
>>impossible to get out of the HOV lanes during rush hour, which of course
>>usually isn't true (though it sometimes is!).
>>
>>the problem is of course the *massive* speed differential at times, we're
>>talking HOV running at 70 MPH while the fwy lanes are at stop and go.
>>one
>>of the unfortunate side effects of this is that one has little choice at
>>times but to hit the brakes to change lanes while in the HOV lane, which
>>sucks for everyone involved, including those behind us. the trick is to
>>*gently* decelerate so there are no rear enders smashing into one another
>>when someone slams on the brakes to get out.

>
> So clearly the best choice for all concerned is to either speed up to
> match the speed of other traffic in that lane, or, if you're truly not
> up to it, not enter the lane at all. I submit, however, that if you
> can't handle the typical speeds in an HOV lane, you have no business
> being on the freeway at all. After all, the HOV lanes don't move any
> faster than the normal lanes do during periods of light congestion.


seems like a false dichotomy to me, either go as fast as the *fastest*
driver in the HOV lane or don't drive on the fwy at all. what if he wants
to do 100 MPH?

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Old May 26th 05, 05:59 PM
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:

> The purpose of the HOV lane is to reward drivers of low pollution/high
> efficiency vehicles by letting them travel on the highway unimpeded.
> Having some inconsiderate Sloth blocking the road defeats the whole
> purpose of having an HOV lane.


Incorrect on its very face. HOV stands for "high occupancy vehicle."
It's purpose has nothing to do with rewarding drivers of low-polluting
or high effiency vehicles. Its purpose is to give free-flowing capacity
to drivers who have two or sometimes three or more people per vehicle,
to reduce the number of vehicles on the system. Rules in many places
allow low-polluting or hybrid type vehicles also to use them.

But you can drive in an HOV lane in a 40-year-old clunker spewing oily
exhaust if you have a passenger next to you.

And you are under no obligation to match the speed of the fastest
vehicle in the lane. If someone behind you wanst to do 90, he just has
to wait until he can. Courtesy cuts both ways. An HOV driver is
entitled to use of the lane at 65 and doesn't have to bail out to let
you go 90.

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Old May 26th 05, 06:06 PM
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
> On 25 May 2005 21:26:19 -0700, "Dave" > wrote:
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> >> >Keep right except to pass doesn't apply since its a special lane.
> >>
> >> I just *love* how people make up rules to suit themselves...

> >
> >How do you keep left in one lane?

>
> Slower Traffic Keep Right still applies. If you can't keep the pace,
> stay out of the race.


Keep the pace with whom? If all the lanes to your right are fully of
25mph traffic, and some assclown rides up on you going 80 (in a 65,)
are you supposed to make way just because he's got a passenger?

I'm passing. When there's a clear space to my right, and it's safe to
get over, I'll do it. But not at 80.


> No, the best idea is for drivers to maintain the common speed of
> traffic. The pricks are the ones who drive slow and block everybody
> else.


Common speed is 25. I'm doing 70. And passing.

What's the problem with that?

E=2EP.

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Old May 26th 05, 06:19 PM
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
> On 25 May 2005 21:26:19 -0700, "Dave" > wrote:
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> >> >Keep right except to pass doesn't apply since its a special lane.
> >>
> >> I just *love* how people make up rules to suit themselves...

> >
> >How do you keep left in one lane?

>
> Slower Traffic Keep Right still applies.


Not in the case of an HOV lane. Statutes in my state, at least (and
this stuff is usually boilerplate from state to state) sets the
farthest left GP lane as the left-most lane, ignoring the HOV lane. It
operates as a separate system for purposes of KRETP. So if there are
two HOV lanes in the same direction, you have a good point. But if
there is only one, you just have to match speed with the person ahead
of you. He is not obstructing traffic if he is going the speed limit.

> If you can't keep the pace,
> stay out of the race.


It's a commute; not a race. That's in Indianapolis this weekend. Where,
btw, KRETP does not apply either! In fact, in that race, part of the
strategy is to block the guy behind you from passing.

> No, the best idea is for drivers to maintain the common speed of
> traffic. The pricks are the ones who drive slow and block everybody
> else.


But you're saying the opposite; you're suggesting that the single
fastest driver is the most common, and that's oxymoronic. The fastest
by definition is the exception. It if *his* obligation to match the
common speed, which in some cases will be slower than he wants to go.

 




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