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  #31  
Old November 8th 05, 03:01 AM
jaybird
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"Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> jaybird > wrote:
>>
>>"Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >,
>>> jaybird > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> jaybird > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The most courteous are older Black males, but the most rude are
>>>>>>younger
>>>>>>Black males.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because the older ones have been literally beaten down by
>>>>> your bretheren.
>>>>
>>>>Nice trolling attempt, but that aside I think they're just more mature
>>>>about
>>>>things
>>>
>>> "Maturity" is often used as a synonym for "willingness to knuckle
>>> under". From cops, nearly always so.

>>
>>No, I meant it literally.

>
> The literal meaning of "maturity" is wide enough to include that sense.


Not for those of us "mature" enough to know what my meaning was.

>
>>>>, and many younger black males still have the chip on their shoulder
>>>>they've been conditioned to have since birth. Not all, but many. I
>>>>stopped
>>>>a very nice older black man the other day. He was a retired Army First
>>>>Sergeant, we had a very cordial conversation and he went on down the
>>>>road.
>>>>Believe it or not, he had never been beaten and I didn't even beat him
>>>>this
>>>>time!
>>>
>>> Naa, he got his beating down in the Army.

>>
>>I didn't see any evidence of that either.

>
> Sure you did. You just didn't recognize it. He was in the Army;
> that's the first thing they do, beat the individuality out of recruits and
> replace it with obedience to anyone with the proper markings on their
> uniform; they call it Basic Training.


Drill Instructors are not allowed to touch recruits, and have not been able
to for many, many years. They do, however, teach respect and other
attributes that you obviously would know nothing about.

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  #32  
Old November 12th 05, 08:28 AM
Dave
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jaybird wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > jaybird wrote:
> >> "Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > jaybird > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>The most courteous are older Black males, but the most rude are younger
> >> >>Black males.
> >> >
> >> > That's because the older ones have been literally beaten down by
> >> > your bretheren.
> >>
> >> Nice trolling attempt, but that aside I think they're just more mature
> >> about
> >> things, and many younger black males still have the chip on their
> >> shoulder
> >> they've been conditioned to have since birth. Not all, but many. I
> >> stopped
> >> a very nice older black man the other day. He was a retired Army First
> >> Sergeant, we had a very cordial conversation and he went on down the
> >> road.
> >> Believe it or not, he had never been beaten and I didn't even beat him
> >> this
> >> time!
> >>
> >> --
> >> ---
> >> jaybird
> >> ---
> >> I am not the cause of your problems.
> >> My actions are the result of your actions.
> >> Your life is not my fault.

> >
> > Many of the black males I know, regardless if they're older or younger,
> > remember things like Rodney King, and other things they've seen in the
> > media, or in some cases seen firsthand. If it comes up, I've never
> > heard one say they're not scared of it happening to them.

>
> I've seen that happen to people of all races though when they are on drugs
> and run from the cops. Many of the black males I know don't engage in that
> kind of activity so they're not too worried about it. Regardless of the
> outcome, that was the initial cause.
>
> >
> > While it's not likely, and I don't assume all cops are racist, but
> > unfortunately there's some bad apples in any group. They just probably
> > are covering their bases, since they don't know who you are other than
> > you have a gun and you're assumed to be right always.

>
> True, but when people choose to engage in more serious criminal activity,
> the ends can't always be predicted whether they're right or wrong.


The problem was, growing up in and around Buffalo, NY I saw a lot of
instances where people, usually minorities, died in police custody.
Many of these people had no history of violence, drugs, or any other
criminal behavior, but they still ended up dead.

I'm not trying to imply anything about police in Buffalo as a whole,
but I know families of several police officers who had some really
disgusting stories of the behavior of the city's police. Not every
city is in the shape Buffalo is, and I ran into a few great Buffalo
police officers also. But it's what I grew up around, and I admit
every time I hear about San Diego police killing someone now, I wonder
what's going on.

I had an officer draw his gun on me once (mistaken identity, and he
apologized profusely afterwards. I understand his intent was to
protect people, but also if I wasn't a white male would I be alive to
type this?

> > I behave that way if I'm pulled over too. I don't want to be
> > remembered as "the guy who pulled a wallet on a cop."

>
> Me too.


If some of your posts weren't so police-ish I'd be sure you were lying
about being an officer.

Dave

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Old November 16th 05, 04:15 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
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"Dave" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> jaybird wrote:
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > jaybird wrote:
>> >> "Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > jaybird > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The most courteous are older Black males, but the most rude are
>> >> >>younger
>> >> >>Black males.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's because the older ones have been literally beaten down by
>> >> > your bretheren.
>> >>
>> >> Nice trolling attempt, but that aside I think they're just more mature
>> >> about
>> >> things, and many younger black males still have the chip on their
>> >> shoulder
>> >> they've been conditioned to have since birth. Not all, but many. I
>> >> stopped
>> >> a very nice older black man the other day. He was a retired Army
>> >> First
>> >> Sergeant, we had a very cordial conversation and he went on down the
>> >> road.
>> >> Believe it or not, he had never been beaten and I didn't even beat him
>> >> this
>> >> time!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ---
>> >> jaybird
>> >> ---
>> >> I am not the cause of your problems.
>> >> My actions are the result of your actions.
>> >> Your life is not my fault.
>> >
>> > Many of the black males I know, regardless if they're older or younger,
>> > remember things like Rodney King, and other things they've seen in the
>> > media, or in some cases seen firsthand. If it comes up, I've never
>> > heard one say they're not scared of it happening to them.

>>
>> I've seen that happen to people of all races though when they are on
>> drugs
>> and run from the cops. Many of the black males I know don't engage in
>> that
>> kind of activity so they're not too worried about it. Regardless of the
>> outcome, that was the initial cause.
>>
>> >
>> > While it's not likely, and I don't assume all cops are racist, but
>> > unfortunately there's some bad apples in any group. They just probably
>> > are covering their bases, since they don't know who you are other than
>> > you have a gun and you're assumed to be right always.

>>
>> True, but when people choose to engage in more serious criminal activity,
>> the ends can't always be predicted whether they're right or wrong.

>
> The problem was, growing up in and around Buffalo, NY I saw a lot of
> instances where people, usually minorities, died in police custody.
> Many of these people had no history of violence, drugs, or any other
> criminal behavior, but they still ended up dead.


Well we all grew up somewhere, and we've all heard stories that we have no
first-hand knowledge about. People love to spread bad stories much more
than good. People don't always have to have a history of crime to commit a
crime. There's a first time for everything.

>
> I'm not trying to imply anything about police in Buffalo as a whole,
> but I know families of several police officers who had some really
> disgusting stories of the behavior of the city's police. Not every
> city is in the shape Buffalo is, and I ran into a few great Buffalo
> police officers also. But it's what I grew up around, and I admit
> every time I hear about San Diego police killing someone now, I wonder
> what's going on.


I don't wonder at all. I've been around it in a much more involved manner
and know that almost all cops are great police officers. There are some bad
apples that make the rest look bad and that taints the image. Add to that
stories from people, because everyone thinks they're innocent, and it
creates the view that you have of police.

>
> I had an officer draw his gun on me once (mistaken identity, and he
> apologized profusely afterwards. I understand his intent was to
> protect people, but also if I wasn't a white male would I be alive to
> type this?


Probably.

>
>> > I behave that way if I'm pulled over too. I don't want to be
>> > remembered as "the guy who pulled a wallet on a cop."

>>
>> Me too.

>
> If some of your posts weren't so police-ish I'd be sure you were lying
> about being an officer.


Uh... ok. I'm quite honest, sometimes brutally so, much to the dismay of
some of the anti-cops in here. I'm exerting no authority in here, just a
personal opinion that isn't often presented, and isn't often politically
correct.

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Your life is not my fault.


 




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