Bankruptcy and Reorganization for Detroit?

Nate Nagel wrote:

> My house didn't have A/C when we bought it in 2006. I didn't think the
> summer of 2007 was *that* bad - the first place I ever lived in with A/C
> was the apartment I rented in 1997. I guess I'd just gotten used to
> "summer = sit around in boxer shorts inside." The lot is pretty wooded
> so the house didn't get nearly as hot as you'd think. I also do not
> have a vent fan in the attic (things to do in the spring) which I
> suspect will help some when I get it installed. But we did get A/C
> installed last fall so this summer was much nicer, I have to admit.
>
> I bet if I lived significantly farther south I'd want it for sure
> though. I have no idea how people lived in places like Arizona without
> A/C - my damnyankee upbringing and Germanic DNA just don't like the hot
> weather.
>
> nate

Humidity makes a lot of difference. I grew up in VA, and presently live
there. I lived in Denver for 6 years and Florida for 3. I repeat -
humidity makes a big difference (see "psychrometric charts"). 100
degrees in Denver or Arizona feels a whole lot different than 100
degrees in Virginia or Pensacola. In one place, 100 degrees is
bearable, maybe enjoyable, in the other, it can be oppressive.

It was unusual for a house in Denver to even have an a.c. unit - you
just didn't need it. You might wish you had one late in the afternoon,
but by 8 or 9 o'clock in the evening, you were comfortable - not true in
the humid areas.

--
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Dave Head wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >Dave Head wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >> >Dave Head wrote:
> >> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Aside from being a totally idiotic idea it amounts to a trade subsidy which will
> >> >> >break WTO rules and in return US exports will taxed extra heavily by importing
> >> >> >nations.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey, the rest of the world paying their auto workers poverty wages is an
> >> >> illegal subsidy of their industries, the way I see it.
> >> >
> >> >Well.... the logical consequence of globalisation in the long term would indeed tend
> >> >towards parity of wages.
> >>
> >> It would tend toward poverty wages, more likely.
> >
> >For everyone.
>
> Yeah, this is the sort of nonsense that unions exist for.
>
> >> >They aren't poverty wages in their own countries of course.
> >>
> >> Well, they may not exactly be starving (maybe), but... its not likely they have
> >> a Mitsubishi Laservue in the living room,
> >
> >I doubt their living room would accomadate one. Is it actually something critical to your
> >lifestyle ? I barely watch the box these days.
>
> Me either, but the fact that a US auto worker could afford one is the important
> point.
>
> Without the auto industry, I think things are going to get really, really ugly.

I can't see it all going. The again, with the management the way it is ......... Maybe the
Chinese or Indians will buy it ?


> >> maybe not even air conditioning. That
> >> latter thing is something I think we should try to avoid here.
> >
> >When it's hot in Mumbai they sleep on the roof at night.
>
> Wonder what they do when they're trying to cook something, or run the computer
> when it's 105 degrees F out?

The new middle classs than can afford computers tend to have at least some a/c.

Graham

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:41:40 +0000, Eeyore
> wrote:

>
>
>Dave Head wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> >Dave Head wrote:
>> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >> >Dave Head wrote:
>> >> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Aside from being a totally idiotic idea it amounts to a trade subsidy which will
>> >> >> >break WTO rules and in return US exports will taxed extra heavily by importing
>> >> >> >nations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hey, the rest of the world paying their auto workers poverty wages is an
>> >> >> illegal subsidy of their industries, the way I see it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well.... the logical consequence of globalisation in the long term would indeed tend
>> >> >towards parity of wages.
>> >>
>> >> It would tend toward poverty wages, more likely.
>> >
>> >For everyone.
>>
>> Yeah, this is the sort of nonsense that unions exist for.
>>
>> >> >They aren't poverty wages in their own countries of course.
>> >>
>> >> Well, they may not exactly be starving (maybe), but... its not likely they have
>> >> a Mitsubishi Laservue in the living room,
>> >
>> >I doubt their living room would accomadate one. Is it actually something critical to your
>> >lifestyle ? I barely watch the box these days.
>>
>> Me either, but the fact that a US auto worker could afford one is the important
>> point.
>>
>> Without the auto industry, I think things are going to get really, really ugly.
>
>I can't see it all going. The again, with the management the way it is ......... Maybe the
>Chinese or Indians will buy it ?

Why would they? All the factories are still in the areas where unions are
strong. If they tried to hire from those areas, the places would be unionized
overnight.

>> >> maybe not even air conditioning. That
>> >> latter thing is something I think we should try to avoid here.
>> >
>> >When it's hot in Mumbai they sleep on the roof at night.
>>
>> Wonder what they do when they're trying to cook something, or run the computer
>> when it's 105 degrees F out?
>
>The new middle classs than can afford computers tend to have at least some a/c.

Window unit, probably.

>Graham

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:03:20 GMT, Dave Head > wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:41:40 +0000, Eeyore
> wrote:

>>I can't see it all going. The again, with the management the way it is ......... Maybe the
>>Chinese or Indians will buy it ?
>
>Why would they? All the factories are still in the areas where unions are
>strong. If they tried to hire from those areas, the places would be unionized
>overnight.


But these are the exact businesses you've suggested we keep going with
a $7500 subsidy on the GM electric car. Please explain. Yes, please
do.