"hypothetical" question

Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!


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"There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
- Inspector Harry Callahan

Shag,

I believe that if you put it engine down you will get oil through the carb
one way or the other and out the crank vent and maybe even into the dist..
probably into the valve covers as well.

In the tranny on top you might get fluid into the bellhousing and out the
axle housings into the breaks maybe? If the seals aren't perfect. Isn't
there a vent hole on a transaxkle too somewhere?

All of this is just a guess though, I have never don e this.

Mike West

66chopped bug custom

"Shag" > wrote in message
...
> Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
> it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
> fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
> the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
> you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
> on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
> you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
> arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
> transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
> the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
> making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
> with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
> oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
> angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!
>
>
> ---

sure you *can* but you must be a bit concerned with the engine oil weeping
past the piston rings and getting into the combustion chamber....it can
cause problems....there is also a vent on the tranny to worry about...

Shag wrote:
> Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
> it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
> fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
> the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
> you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
> on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
> you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
> arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
> transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
> the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
> making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
> with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
> oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
> angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!


Separate engine/tranny, place engine with flywheel against wall, and
tranny up against wall with input shaft(clutch side)facing floor. No oil
spills this way, if oil seal on ingoing axle is ok.

Sounds like you bought your old bug back?

J.




>
>
> ---
> "There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
> - Inspector Harry Callahan

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:10 -0500, "Joey Tribiani" >
wrote:

>
>"Shag" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
>> it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
>> fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
>> the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
>> you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
>> on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
>> you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
>> arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
>> transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
>> the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
>> making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
>> with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
>> oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
>> angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!
>>
>>
>> ---
>
>sure you *can* but you must be a bit concerned with the engine oil weeping
>past the piston rings and getting into the combustion chamber...

I wonder what the maximum degree of inclination would be before that
would be a problem. I wonder if that "maximum safe degree" would vary
depending on which end was being raised. Hmmm....

>.it can
>cause problems....there is also a vent on the tranny to worry about...
>

Could probably add an extended tube of some sort to that so the tranny
could still vent but wouldn't leak when at an extreme angle. Hmmm...


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"There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
- Inspector Harry Callahan

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:13:50 +0100, "P.J. Berg" >
wrote:

>Shag wrote:
>> Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
>> it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
>> fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
>> the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
>> you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
>> on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
>> you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
>> arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
>> transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
>> the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
>> making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
>> with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
>> oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
>> angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!
>
>
>Separate engine/tranny, place engine with flywheel against wall, and
>tranny up against wall with input shaft(clutch side)facing floor. No oil
>spills this way, if oil seal on ingoing axle is ok.

OK, suppose the engine/tranny is actually mounted in a frame. heh
heh... And suppose you want to keep it all connected so that you
could quickly lower it and drive it away? :-)

>
>Sounds like you bought your old bug back?

No. I just "have a plan." :-)


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"There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
- Inspector Harry Callahan

Shag wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:13:50 +0100, "P.J. Berg" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Shag wrote:
>>
>>>Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
>>>it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
>>>fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
>>>the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
>>>you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
>>>on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
>>>you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
>>>arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
>>>transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
>>>the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
>>>making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
>>>with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
>>>oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
>>>angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!
>>
>>
>>Separate engine/tranny, place engine with flywheel against wall, and
>>tranny up against wall with input shaft(clutch side)facing floor. No oil
>>spills this way, if oil seal on ingoing axle is ok.
>
>
> OK, suppose the engine/tranny is actually mounted in a frame. heh
> heh... And suppose you want to keep it all connected so that you
> could quickly lower it and drive it away? :-)
>
>
>>Sounds like you bought your old bug back?
>
>
> No. I just "have a plan." :-)

Your building a small trike, and want to store it up against the wall. )


J.

>
>
> ---
> "There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
> - Inspector Harry Callahan

"Shag" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:10 -0500, "Joey Tribiani" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Shag" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to
> >> it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no
> >> fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on
> >> the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than
> >> you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point
> >> on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that
> >> you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the
> >> arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the
> >> transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on
> >> the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without
> >> making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up
> >> with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping
> >> oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree
> >> angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >
> >sure you *can* but you must be a bit concerned with the engine oil
weeping
> >past the piston rings and getting into the combustion chamber...
>
> I wonder what the maximum degree of inclination would be before that
> would be a problem. I wonder if that "maximum safe degree" would vary
> depending on which end was being raised. Hmmm....
>
> >.it can
> >cause problems....there is also a vent on the tranny to worry about...
> >
>
> Could probably add an extended tube of some sort to that so the tranny
> could still vent but wouldn't leak when at an extreme angle. Hmmm...
>
>
> ---
chainfall and two straps...pull it to ceiling.. this ain't a snapper you
are messing with, can't stand it on end in a corner....

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:42:52 -0500, "Joey Tribiani" >
wrote:

>>
>> ---
> chainfall and two straps...pull it to ceiling.. this ain't a snapper you
>are messing with, can't stand it on end in a corner....
>

I thought about something like that, but figure that would be a royal
pain in the arse as far as convenience goes. I may wind up just
parking my motorcycle under the deck in the back yard and that would
free up enough space in the garage for what I need. Hopefully I'll be
figuring this all out soon. :-)


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"There's nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot."
- Inspector Harry Callahan

"Shag" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:42:52 -0500, "Joey Tribiani" >
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> ---
> > chainfall and two straps...pull it to ceiling.. this ain't a snapper you
> >are messing with, can't stand it on end in a corner....
> >
>
> I thought about something like that, but figure that would be a royal
> pain in the arse as far as convenience goes. I may wind up just
> parking my motorcycle under the deck in the back yard and that would
> free up enough space in the garage for what I need. Hopefully I'll be
> figuring this all out soon. :-)
>
>
> ---
clean out over the cieling joists you packrat, and make the lift like a
boat lift...will be able to pull it to the cieling and still put a honda
under it....