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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:48:35 -0400, Michael Yeager >
wrote:

>I'm still trying to figure out when you supposedly called him a
>****wit. I've followed this conversation from the begining and he's
>the only person I've seen use that until I told him to enjoy being one
>himself. Holy **** are some people dense...

Message dated 3/27/08 (US style - m-d-y)

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:12:17 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:06:45 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dizzy - As one that has built many turbo engines in the early days 1982 - 1990
>>>>for a number of UK dealers that were sanctioned by the importers or makers to
>>>>supply tuned cars I can speak with a fair amount of knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>The smaller the turbine and impeller the faster it accelerates
>>>
>>>Sorry, but that statement helps not at all, as it is devoid of *any*
>>>conditions. One can only guess that the conditions are "everything
>>>else equal", but that makes the statement absurdly obvious.
>>>
>>>You see, with two smaller turbos, each gets only half the exhaust to
>>>drive it, comparted to a single larger turbo.
>>
>>Dizzy - are you an arsehole by trade or were you born like it.
>
>**** off, prick. I wasn't trying to be an "asshole", but direct and
>clear statements were required to get the message across.
>
>Your proposed "experiment" clarifies my initial impression that you
>are simply too dense to understand what is being talked-about, here.
>
>>Try this experiment.
>
>Idiot. Your experiment shows *nothing* but the brain-dead obvious
>"less rotational inertia accelerates more rapidly, assuming equal
>force applied". Duh!

So your brain works too bad your mouth doesn't.

****wit.

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Hugh
>
>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:18:20 +0100, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:36:45 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you cannot compensate for your knowledge not being accepted and understood by
>>>>other folk then perhaps you should learn how to explain in simple terms or if
>>>>you need a detailed technical explanation personally - which obviously you don't
>>>>need - ask first instead
>>>
>>>I did. Perhaps you should learn now to read, ****wit.
>>>
>>>Here again is what I wrote, ****wit:
>>>
>>>>>>>I've read that, yes, and perhaps it's true. I'd like to see the math.
>>>>>>>It's not obvious to me why two "half sized" is better than one "full
>>>>>>>sized" turbo.
>>>
>>>
>>>>of bleating that you know it all
>>>
>>>I made no such claim, ****wit. In fact I clearly expressed a desire
>>>to learn. Your reading comprehension problems rearing their ugly
>>>heads again, ****wit. Or are you just a dishonest arsehole?
>>>
>>>>and everyone else is a ****wit.
>>>
>>>I said or implied nothing of the kind, ****wit. It's you who flew-off
>>>the handle when I gently informed you that what you wrote was
>>>trivially obvious.
>>>
>>>You know, I really don't care for some lying ****wit coming-along and
>>>saying that I "bleated" anything like "I know it all and everyone else
>>>is a ****wit".
>>>
>>>Stop lying, ****wit. Better yet, just **** right off, ****wit.
>>>
>>>>Back off DAZE and stop being a show off...........................
>>>
>>>I wasn't "showing off", ****wit. I was TRYING to have an intelligent,
>>>adult-level conversation, until some ****wit (you) had to call me an
>>>"arsehole" and a "****wit" because he didn't understand what was being
>>>discussed.
>>
>>If you ever come to the UK Arsehole then look me up - BTW Have you got a good
>>dentist?
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

Michael Yeager wrote:

>I'm still trying to figure out when you supposedly called him a
>****wit.

Right he

>

>I've followed this conversation from the begining and he's
>the only person I've seen use that until I told him to enjoy being one
>himself.

Then you didn't read carefully-enough.

>Holy **** are some people dense...

As you have demonstrated.

Michael Yeager wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:18:52 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>>
>>>>>I've read that, yes, and perhaps it's true. I'd like to see the math.
>>>>>It's not obvious to me why two "half sized" is better than one "full
>>>>>sized" turbo.
>
>It's obvious to me that you don't understand it. When discussing turbo
>lag, the faster the impeller spins up, the less the lag effect is. Two
>smaller turbos will spin up faster than one large turbo.

If we're really going to get technical, your statement is too broad to
be correct in all cases. Let's get specific:

Let's assume that each small turbo is getting half the driving
exhaust, reletive to what the larger turbo is getting. Certainly, if
the combined rotational inertia of the two smaller turbos is less than
that of the single larger turbo, then they will spin-up faster.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that what we're really after is
not rapidly-spinning turbos, but forcing more air into the engine. Is
it obvious that the two smaller turbos are forcing-into the engine
more air, more quickly, reletive to the single large turbo? THAT'S
where things get less than obvious.

The best threory presented so far, IMO, the the "strength"
explanation. i.e. a turbo's rotational inertia increases more-rapidly
than does it's air-compressing capacity, due to a non-linear
relationship between compressor diameter and the amount of material
required to make it strong enough to hold-together. Think pi*r^2
(twice the diameter gets you four times the area). So, it seems
probable that, to make a turbo with twice the capacity, it's
compressor must have MORE than twice the rotational inertia.

>>Grown-ups were talking. We had moved beyond pre-school "I can squish
>>an ant because I'm bigger" level. Kindergarten is that --> way.
>
>Go back to whatever know it all university that gave you a diploma and
>ask them for either the knowledge to go with it or at least the people
>skills to cover being a complete ass.

I wasn't the when who started calling names. I was called a
"arsehole" for no particular reason. Would you like the message ID?

>Since you like using the term ****wit, enjoy being one.

Only when it's well-deserved. He called me a "fsckwit" first, so he
got a taste of his own medicine.

wrote:

>dizzy > wrote:
>>
>>Grown-ups were talking. We had moved beyond pre-school "I can squish
>>an ant because I'm bigger" level. Kindergarten is that --> way.
>
>Oh! Dizzy - you really do live in a dream world where everyone actually listens
>and learns at school and where everyone goes to high school and on to university
>and become doctors, lawyers and engineers.....
>
>Well I must tell you that 80% of the population are really as think as **** in
>many areas of the motor car and physics let alone shopping at K-Mart etc.

It matters not what 80% of the population thinks or knows or cares
about. You responded to a message of mine, regarding a technical
subject.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:30:21 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

wrote:

<snipped endearments>

Hands up all those who think it's *way* past the time when dizzy and
hugh should get a room together, and consummate the unfulfilled lust
of the long-term fascination and attraction that they seem to have for
each other.

Enough of the trash talking, guys. Make it real! Go for it!
--
Dan.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:25:21 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

>Michael Yeager wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:18:52 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>I've read that, yes, and perhaps it's true. I'd like to see the math.
>>>>>>It's not obvious to me why two "half sized" is better than one "full
>>>>>>sized" turbo.
>>
>>It's obvious to me that you don't understand it. When discussing turbo
>>lag, the faster the impeller spins up, the less the lag effect is. Two
>>smaller turbos will spin up faster than one large turbo.
>
>If we're really going to get technical, your statement is too broad to
>be correct in all cases. Let's get specific:
>
>Let's assume that each small turbo is getting half the driving
>exhaust, reletive to what the larger turbo is getting. Certainly, if
>the combined rotational inertia of the two smaller turbos is less than
>that of the single larger turbo, then they will spin-up faster.
>
>But let's not lose sight of the fact that what we're really after is
>not rapidly-spinning turbos, but forcing more air into the engine. Is
>it obvious that the two smaller turbos are forcing-into the engine
>more air, more quickly, reletive to the single large turbo? THAT'S
>where things get less than obvious.
>
>The best threory presented so far, IMO, the the "strength"
>explanation. i.e. a turbo's rotational inertia increases more-rapidly
>than does it's air-compressing capacity, due to a non-linear
>relationship between compressor diameter and the amount of material
>required to make it strong enough to hold-together. Think pi*r^2
>(twice the diameter gets you four times the area). So, it seems
>probable that, to make a turbo with twice the capacity, it's
>compressor must have MORE than twice the rotational inertia.
>
>>>Grown-ups were talking. We had moved beyond pre-school "I can squish
>>>an ant because I'm bigger" level. Kindergarten is that --> way.
>>
>>Go back to whatever know it all university that gave you a diploma and
>>ask them for either the knowledge to go with it or at least the people
>>skills to cover being a complete ass.
>
>I wasn't the when who started calling names. I was called a
>"arsehole" for no particular reason. Would you like the message ID?
>
>>Since you like using the term ****wit, enjoy being one.
>
>Only when it's well-deserved. He called me a "fsckwit" first, so he
>got a taste of his own medicine.

Dizzy - you knew all the time whilst pretending to be a dim wit.

I must ask - Have you ever seen or studied a turbo air flow map?

Have you ever been involved in the design and implementation of turbo charging
petrol and diesel engines?

These are two pertinent questions as I have done both - admittedly I started
"playing" in around 1984 and gradually built up a reasonably sized business with
clients like Toyota GB, Suzuki and Ford GB.

Currently I teach electronics and have kept an interest in fast cars but stopped
playing with them after 2001 when I sold the engineering business and decided
that the divorce was the best thing since sliced bread and the new lady was
worth more of my time.

Go on Dizzy, give us some more insight to your wonderful knowledge. BTW before
1984 I used to build race engines for boats and cars and also tweaked a few
whole cars for fun.
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:06:17 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

>Michael Yeager wrote:
>
>>I'm still trying to figure out when you supposedly called him a
>>****wit.
>
>Right he
>
>
>
>>I've followed this conversation from the begining and he's
>>the only person I've seen use that until I told him to enjoy being one
>>himself.
>
>Then you didn't read carefully-enough.
>
>>Holy **** are some people dense...
>
>As you have demonstrated.

Yes Dizzy - that's the one. How clever you are!
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

wrote:

>I must ask - Have you ever seen or studied a turbo air flow map?

No, I have not. It sounds like it might be what I've been
looking-for.

>Have you ever been involved in the design and implementation of turbo charging
>petrol and diesel engines?
>
>These are two pertinent questions as I have done both -

Then contribute, by all means. I'd love to move past
grade-school-level stuff and learn something new. Googling "turbo air
flow map" gave some good hits, it appears. It'll take some time to
digest...

wrote:

>Dizzy - you knew all the time whilst pretending to be a dim wit.

It's not true that I "knew all the time". I'm not certain that I
"know" now. I have plausible theories, all biased by the fact that
I've already been told "the answer".