GTR - merciless analysis :)

JP, sorry wasn't directed at you. Was just replies to the comments above.

"JP" > wrote in message
...
> Um, I haven't said a single word anywhere about GTR..........might want
> to
> be sure you're replying to the correct poster before hitting that key <g>
>
> p.s. I like it anyway.
>
>
> Chad Rogers > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have not been a fan of the F1 series stuff, but GTR feels very
>> different
>> to me and I love it. You are doing a ton a people a disservice by
>> telling
>> them all this is just a rehash of GTR 2002, not even close. If you do in
>> fact have the game I am very surprised you feel that way.
>> Your facts about the Papy engine are far from being what happened and I
>> am
>> not trying to bash Papy, I love them.
>> GTR feels great to me and I will love it until hopefully GTR2 comes as
> well
>> as the first stuff.
>> The rfactor demo looks like it will have great potential as well,
> hopefully
>> something that great things can be built around.
>> Just trying to give a positive voice to those that might want to try it,
>> I
>> find it to be the best driving experience available right now by a long
>> ways.
>>
>> Chad
>>
>>
>> "JP" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Dan > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> I agree with tony on this one.Having been a long time simmer and
>> >> having
>> >> played ISI and papy games for years,to me its clear that rfactor has a
>> > feel
>> >> to it unlike any other ISI game and its as close to papy quality as i
>> >> have
>> >> seen by another developer.
>> >> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel
>> >> to
>> > them
>> >> compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor tyre
>> >> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.
>> >> GTR is more of the same and is nothing more than an official f1C mod.
>> >> Rfactor feels far better and advanced than GTR.Its far more dynamic
>> >> and
>> >> fluid in feel and handling.
>> >> Definalty a step up.
>> >>
>> >> Please stop trying to defend the old ISI engines.They stunk.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm not.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Np, thanks. Sorry for the confusion.


Chad Rogers > wrote in message
...
> JP, sorry wasn't directed at you. Was just replies to the comments above.
>
> "JP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Um, I haven't said a single word anywhere about GTR..........might want
> > to
> > be sure you're replying to the correct poster before hitting that key
<g>
> >
> > p.s. I like it anyway.
> >
> >
> > Chad Rogers > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I have not been a fan of the F1 series stuff, but GTR feels very
> >> different
> >> to me and I love it. You are doing a ton a people a disservice by
> >> telling
> >> them all this is just a rehash of GTR 2002, not even close. If you do
in
> >> fact have the game I am very surprised you feel that way.
> >> Your facts about the Papy engine are far from being what happened and I
> >> am
> >> not trying to bash Papy, I love them.
> >> GTR feels great to me and I will love it until hopefully GTR2 comes as
> > well
> >> as the first stuff.
> >> The rfactor demo looks like it will have great potential as well,
> > hopefully
> >> something that great things can be built around.
> >> Just trying to give a positive voice to those that might want to try
it,
> >> I
> >> find it to be the best driving experience available right now by a long
> >> ways.
> >>
> >> Chad
> >>
> >>
> >> "JP" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Dan > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> I agree with tony on this one.Having been a long time simmer and
> >> >> having
> >> >> played ISI and papy games for years,to me its clear that rfactor has
a
> >> > feel
> >> >> to it unlike any other ISI game and its as close to papy quality as
i
> >> >> have
> >> >> seen by another developer.
> >> >> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel
> >> >> to
> >> > them
> >> >> compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor tyre
> >> >> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.
> >> >> GTR is more of the same and is nothing more than an official f1C
mod.
> >> >> Rfactor feels far better and advanced than GTR.Its far more dynamic
> >> >> and
> >> >> fluid in feel and handling.
> >> >> Definalty a step up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please stop trying to defend the old ISI engines.They stunk.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm not.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"David G Fisher" wrote...
>> <snip>
>
> Not sure what mood you were in when you read my post, but it was
> supposed to be helpful, believe it or not.

I was getting a little exhasparated<sp?> about the whole situation. My
apologies.

Even so, you were always one of the few posters here who supported the ISI
approach too. I was not expecting you to think of rFactor as a major leap
too.

Then again, thinking about it, you pretty much concentrated on the F1 side
of things as I recall.

> <snip>
> Sounded to me like what is a pretty tame car in the demo was
> way too sensitive to your inputs on the straights. I've seen
> a lot of people with the same problem, both with the demo and
> with the F1 cars in F1C. Same advice I gave you has helped
> quite a few others instantly settle their car down quite a bit.
> Set correctly, the car in the demo will run a nice, smooth
> line all the way around the track.

It's not that... I have a tendency to veer off line when I'm not actually
looking at the track. A little speed sensitivity means I can look at the
cockpit instruments without drifting so far I need a big correction to get
back to my intended line.

> Nothing to do with my abilities (one way or the other) either.

Yeah, right... LOL

> Wasn't trying to insult your abilities or your knowledge about
> tuning a sim to your rig.

Of course not, I just read that into it at the time.

> I do know about ISI sims (F1 setups, wheel setup), so I try to
> help. Other sims (like N2003 or GPL), it's best to look elsewhere
> for help.

Yeah, you and Dave Henrie have been a big help for me with regard to ISI
sims.

> Do you know all there is about ALL sims? :-)

Nah, I'm clueless with regard to Racer and NetKar. ;-)

Jan.
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