Can you id this part?

"McMahon" > wrote in
:

> Uh - it could be an Event Data Recorder (EDR).
>
> There's a kinda-scary little news report about them he
>
> 'Black box' in your car could send you to jail
>
> It's a video report on CNN.com where the TV foof says:
>
> "YOUR EDR Could send you to - JAIL !!!!" (Aaaagggggh!)
>
> Thank you, oh wise men in Detroit. (Xmas reference unintentional)

They don't need a recorder, the Penn Turnpike did that for years and
may still do so, when you entered the turnpike your entry ticket was
stamped with where and when, as you exited the time and distance was
calculated and if you got there too soon you were cited.

It would be a VERY simple thing to install gates at entrances and exits
to any limited access road and do the same thing, they could then add a
toll as well which would eliminate the "freeway*" concept, wouldn't it?
:-(



*Called "freeways" because they cost the taxpayers millions of dollars
per mile....

Pat wrote:
> I have been thinking about giving this a try. I have never snow-skied or
> para-glided, but it looks cool and is probably very safe.
> What'cha think?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1kGmOhzWQ&NR
>

Holy crap! Are those people out of their minds!?!
I'll get my thrills on the track, thankyouverymuch!

Iva & Belle.)
'90B Classic Red.)
#3 winkin' Miata

XS11E wrote:
> "McMahon" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>Uh - it could be an Event Data Recorder (EDR).
>>
>>There's a kinda-scary little news report about them he
>>
>>'Black box' in your car could send you to jail
>>
>>It's a video report on CNN.com where the TV foof says:
>>
>>"YOUR EDR Could send you to - JAIL !!!!" (Aaaagggggh!)
>>
>>Thank you, oh wise men in Detroit. (Xmas reference unintentional)
>
>
> They don't need a recorder, the Penn Turnpike did that for years and
> may still do so, when you entered the turnpike your entry ticket was
> stamped with where and when, as you exited the time and distance was
> calculated and if you got there too soon you were cited.
>
> It would be a VERY simple thing to install gates at entrances and exits
> to any limited access road and do the same thing, they could then add a
> toll as well which would eliminate the "freeway*" concept, wouldn't it?
> :-(
>
>
>
> *Called "freeways" because they cost the taxpayers millions of dollars
> per mile....

That is true on the tracking part.

In one case, a man was convicted because the EDR showed his car as doing
107 mph at the time of impact, which was recorded.

I don't have a huge problem with them as long as they are extremely
accurate, remain accurate, and are very low maintenance.

What I fear, however, is a car reporting that I was doing 130 mph when I
was actually doing 30 mph, or putting me at the scene of a crime when
the car was never there.
Considering that this information is being broadcast and can be hacked,
it becomes even more frightening.

Pat

Iva wrote:

> Holy crap! Are those people out of their minds!?!
> I'll get my thrills on the track, thankyouverymuch!
>
> Iva & Belle.)
> '90B Classic Red.)
> #3 winkin' Miata


All that I was thinking was what happens if a strong wind slams them
into the cliff side?

I remember watching one of those rescue shows where several rescuers got
a hang glider off of a cliff side where he was stuck at great peril to
themselves.
This was a well-known dangerous spot to jump with warning signs.

I say, leave them hanging there. People will ignore a sign, but a
decomposing corpse hanging from a nylon harness is far more likely to
have a deterrent effect, plus it costs less than a sign.

Pat

Mr. Compassion, that's what they call him ;-)

Chris
99bbb

"pws" > wrote in message
...
> Iva wrote:
>
>> Holy crap! Are those people out of their minds!?!
>> I'll get my thrills on the track, thankyouverymuch!
>>
>> Iva & Belle.)
>> '90B Classic Red.)
>> #3 winkin' Miata
>
>
> All that I was thinking was what happens if a strong wind slams them into
> the cliff side?
>
> I remember watching one of those rescue shows where several rescuers got a
> hang glider off of a cliff side where he was stuck at great peril to
> themselves.
> This was a well-known dangerous spot to jump with warning signs.
>
> I say, leave them hanging there. People will ignore a sign, but a
> decomposing corpse hanging from a nylon harness is far more likely to have
> a deterrent effect, plus it costs less than a sign.
>
> Pat

In article >,
XS11E > wrote:

> They don't need a recorder, the Penn Turnpike did that for years and
> may still do so, when you entered the turnpike your entry ticket was
> stamped with where and when, as you exited the time and distance was
> calculated and if you got there too soon you were cited.

Back when I was driving between DC and St. Louis regularly, I'd pull
over for a short snooze on the PA Tpk to let the clock catch up.

--
Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Lanny Chambers > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> XS11E > wrote:
>
>> They don't need a recorder, the Penn Turnpike did that for years
>> and may still do so, when you entered the turnpike your entry
>> ticket was stamped with where and when, as you exited the time
>> and distance was calculated and if you got there too soon you
>> were cited.
>
> Back when I was driving between DC and St. Louis regularly, I'd
> pull over for a short snooze on the PA Tpk to let the clock catch
> up.

I'd make a rest stop, use the bathroom, get a snack, etc.

that conneticut car rental speeding thing was from four years ago and thrown
out in court.
when new jersey easy pass first went on line they tried to ticket people for
speeding which created a backlash and the tickets were dismissed.
so they may indeed collect this information but privacy laws do not permit
the information to be used in identifiable ways, at least for now.

"pws" > wrote in message
...
> McMahon wrote:
>
>> Uh - it could be an Event Data Recorder (EDR).
>>
>> There's a kinda-scary little news report about them he
>>
>> 'Black box' in your car could send you to jail
>>
>> It's a video report on CNN.com where the TV foof says:
>>
>> "YOUR EDR Could send you to - JAIL !!!!" (Aaaagggggh!)
>>
>> Thank you, oh wise men in Detroit. (Xmas reference unintentional)
>>
>> --
>> Steve McMahon
>> Green JRSC '00LS
>
> Definitely no joke.
>
> http://www.rd.com/content/openConten...ontentId=27749
>
> One interesting part of the article is the mention of toll-road tags, such
> as the EZ Tag system in Houston.
> Any car using this much more convenient system instead of paying with cash
> has their movements recorded using the radiofrequency identification tags
> on their windshields.
>
> In California:
> "In the Bay Area, the FasTrak system monitors vehicles as they travel
> through the region. Overhead detectors log the location and time of
> FasTrak tags on passing vehicles. The data is encrypted to protect it from
> hackers, and fed into a centralized computer system. The information helps
> keep traffic flowing and is used to update real-time maps on the Web."
>
> Welcome to the new world....Please leave your privacy at the door.
>
> Pat

>
> I don't have a huge problem with them as long as they are extremely
> accurate, remain accurate, and are very low maintenance.
>

Okay. So, I'm thinking he

WHO: is re$$$ponsible for the maintenance and regular-interval calibration
of this device so that it can, 'beyond reasonable doubt', be used in
court-of-law.

WHAT: would be the criteria for this *very* important calibration

WHEN: would calibration be mandated. What's the interval?
Once-a-week/month/year? Indeed, have independent, certified tests of EDR's
been performed to make *sure* that the high standards of calibration &
perfection are maintained over *entire* length of said interval? W/O
question, tampering - again beyond reasonable doubt?

WHE would this calibration be done. Say, at a gov'mint authorized
smog-check station?

HOW: Would this all BE PAID FOR? By the consumer?

Or by the industry that most profit$$$ from it. Could that po$$ibly be ...
uh ...

Oh - Never mind!

--
SM

In article >,
"McMahon" > wrote:

> WHO: is re$$$ponsible for the maintenance and regular-interval calibration
> of this device so that it can, 'beyond reasonable doubt', be used in
> court-of-law.

If it merely records GPS data, calibration would be irrelevant. E.g.,
OnStar knows where you are, all the time; calculating speed from its
stored data is trivial. Ditto for any powered-up satnav receiver.

--
Lanny Chambers
'94C, St. Louis
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html