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" > > And just what do you think causes it to stretch??? PRESSURE!!! > > Hell, this is grade school level science. > > you say it is the air pressure i say it is surface pressure....so i did not say it wasn't pressure my reading comprehension challenged pet.... you were wrong, now man up and admit it...i won't hold my breath...(nice stealing of the "grade school science" though...) |
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"Dan Smith" > wrote in message news:hJyee.58871$c24.25863@attbi_s72... > > > "stepping on the balloon puts MORE force on the outside(pressure)...." > > So Joey, you're saying that when someone steps on a balloon and it pops it's > really imploding. You're saying it doesn't develop such high pressure inside > that the balloon finally bursts from the inside out?...??? > > I'm not following that line of (il)logic. Please enlighten us with you > brilliance (or are you just baffling us with your bull****?). > > it is neither brilliance or bull****...it is just not comprehendible to a dumb**** like you... you did not quote the entire statement above trying to prove a point(your point) but it still does not.... i never stated the balloon implodes(since your reading comprehension wont' allow you to understand what i *did* write you have to try and make **** up...quote me in context or don't quote at all you ****ing moron).... you step on a balloon, or i could just step on your oversized head, and the "pressure" your foot puts on the surface does not change the pressure *inside* the balloon, as you wrongfully stated.....it *displaces* it and causes the ****ing balloon to stretch....got it? probably not, but anyway, that is what causes the balloon to rupture...not from *more* internal pressure but from the surface being stretched further than it can handle...its so simple i would think you could understand...but im not surprised you don't.... |
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"Dan Smith" > wrote in message news:z2zee.58865$WI3.20397@attbi_s71... > > This is also what happens when you step on a balloon only you reduce the > volume for a fixed amount of a gas (the air) by distorting the shape of the > balloon until the pressure is so great and the skin has stretched so far > that some part of the skin of the balloon ruptures. this is not correct...in the case of the balloon you are indeed distorting, but the balloon stretches so the internal "volume' is unchanged...that is my hangup....you seem to know what is going on, and you probably know your original statement was a "stretch" to say the least, you are just trying your damnedest to not admit it... > > When you add weight to a car you distort the shape of the tire. This > distortion reduced the volume inside the tire. The tire stretches some to > help keep the pressure differential reduced but it can't stretch enough to > totally compensate so the pressure inside the tire increases. there is no pressure increase.... you would have to overload the tire beyond what was the subject at hand to *ever* decrease the inside volume....period... you won't make the tire smaller...it will burst first... > > When you have a fixed amount of gas (in this case air) in a container (the > tire) and reduce the volume of the container the pressure goes up. This is > why the tire pressure goes up as the weight it is supporting increases. again you seem to have the theory, but you are still not quite there.... my tires on my pu contain 50psi cold.....even when i slap a couple tons of gravel on the back it still has 50psi cold.... this is not just me talking, it is from training and actually measuring tire pressures...something you have done neither of... > > You already admitted the shape of the tire distorts. Now all you have to > wrap your brain around is the fact that when you distort the shape of the > tire you also reduce the volume inside the tire and the pressure increases. distorting the shape has exactly NOTHING to do with it....if you load the tire(which is so far from your original, yet brilliant, statement it apples to oranges) the air is displaced locally in the tire...this causes the pressure to move inside the tire...so localized inside the tire you could have more pressure but the overall read at the guage is the same...wrap your "brain"(yeah right) around that....or get educated on tires.... > I'm not going to go into the calculus supporting this. You're just going to > have to research that yourself. > no need....i breezed through calculus and "tire school"..... you can shove your "opinions" based on **** you don't know about, or what you *think* would happen, straight up your ass.... i have BTDT with the training and the experience.... |
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"Dan Smith" > wrote in message news:Yzyee.58832$WI3.39180@attbi_s71... > > as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will burst > > when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon > > decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures....or can you not wrap > > your brain cell around this either? > > > > > > That cinched it! You really don't know what you're talking about. > > "Stupid people are funny!" - Shaggie > > i do.... and the above example is just to "trump" your bull**** about stepping on the balloon....you realize it *does* so you don't even answer....nice avoidance...i'd give it a 2 on the troll/dip**** meter...work on that.... |
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 01:12:58 GMT, "Dan Smith" >
wrote: >yappity yap *tug* "Stupid people are funny." - me |
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"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message newsQFee.2441$sy6.963@lakeread04... > > "Dan Smith" > wrote in message > news:mByee.58864$c24.4638@attbi_s72... > > > > > I think at this point he was trying to see exactly how far Dan had his > > > head up his ass. I could be wrong. Have been before. > > > > > > "Stupid people are funny." - me > > > > And you're wrong again. > > > > "Stupid people are funny." - Shaggie > > > > > > you should know being wrong, you are an expert.... > > "Stupid people are funny." - Shaggie "Joey and Shaggie are hilarious." - Dan |
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"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
news:1XFee.2443$sy6.1181@lakeread04... > you step on a > balloon and the "pressure" > your foot puts on the surface does not change the pressure *inside* the > balloon, as you wrongfully stated.....it *displaces* it and causes the > ****ing balloon to stretch....got it? [...] In this case of the bursting balloon you are wrong. If you put a gauge in the balloon you will see a rise in pressure when you step on it. Why? Because the balloon is near enough its maximum expansion to burst when stepped upon - it does not expand easily enough or fast enough for the air to be displaced so the air pressure does rise considerably, then the walls pop. |
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"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
news:23Gee.2444$sy6.1234@lakeread04... > there is no pressure increase.... you would have to overload the tire > beyond > what was the subject at hand to *ever* decrease the inside > volume....period... you won't make the tire smaller...it will burst > first... Yes - that's where you went wrong in the case of the balloon. In this case you would have to squash an underrated tire one hell of a lot to burst it. I am sure you have seen it happen at least once. > again you seem to have the theory, but you are still not quite there.... > my > tires on my pu contain 50psi cold.....even when i slap a couple tons of > gravel on the back it still has 50psi cold.... Yep. Those tires are rated/built to the task. It is too bad the balloon part of the thread was irrelevant to the thread. |
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"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message news:23Gee.2444$sy6.1234@lakeread04... > > "Dan Smith" > wrote in message > news:z2zee.58865$WI3.20397@attbi_s71... > > > > This is also what happens when you step on a balloon only you reduce the > > volume for a fixed amount of a gas (the air) by distorting the shape of > the > > balloon until the pressure is so great and the skin has stretched so far > > that some part of the skin of the balloon ruptures. > > this is not correct...in the case of the balloon you are indeed distorting, > but the balloon stretches so the internal "volume' is unchanged...that is my > hangup....you seem to know what is going on, and you probably know your > original statement was a "stretch" to say the least, you are just trying > your damnedest to not admit it... > > > > > When you add weight to a car you distort the shape of the tire. This > > distortion reduced the volume inside the tire. The tire stretches some to > > help keep the pressure differential reduced but it can't stretch enough to > > totally compensate so the pressure inside the tire increases. > > there is no pressure increase.... you would have to overload the tire beyond > what was the subject at hand to *ever* decrease the inside > volume....period... you won't make the tire smaller...it will burst first... > > > > > When you have a fixed amount of gas (in this case air) in a container (the > > tire) and reduce the volume of the container the pressure goes up. This > is > > why the tire pressure goes up as the weight it is supporting increases. > > again you seem to have the theory, but you are still not quite there.... my > tires on my pu contain 50psi cold.....even when i slap a couple tons of > gravel on the back it still has 50psi cold.... this is not just me talking, > it is from training and actually measuring tire pressures...something you > have done neither of... > > > > > > You already admitted the shape of the tire distorts. Now all you have to > > wrap your brain around is the fact that when you distort the shape of the > > tire you also reduce the volume inside the tire and the pressure > increases. > > distorting the shape has exactly NOTHING to do with it....if you load the > tire(which is so far from your original, yet brilliant, statement it apples > to oranges) the air is displaced locally in the tire...this causes the > pressure to move inside the tire...so localized inside the tire you could > have more pressure but the overall read at the guage is the same...wrap your > "brain"(yeah right) around that....or get educated on tires.... > > > I'm not going to go into the calculus supporting this. You're just going > to > > have to research that yourself. > > > > no need....i breezed through calculus and "tire school"..... you can shove > your "opinions" based on **** you don't know about, or what you *think* > would happen, straight up your ass.... i have BTDT with the training and the > experience.... > > You breezed through tire school? Was that breeze caused by your snoring? You said, "distorting the shape has exactly NOTHING to do with it...." That means that you believe that when you have a fixed amount of a substance in a container and reduce the volume of the container the pressure stays the same. ARE YOU JOKING??? Have you never heard of an air compressor? Have you never heard of an internal combustion engine? Have you never heard of an air conditioner? Have you never heard of ... Never mind. You're just making stuff up. You can't really believe this crap you're spewing forth and you can't really be this stupid. You're just messing with me. |
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