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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:03:29 -0400, Arif Khokar >
wrote: > There are two parts to complying with a stop sign. The first part is to > come to a complete stop. The second part is to yield to other traffic > that has the right of way before proceeding through the intersection. for some circumstances the second part seems to implicate a conundrum tantamount to paradox? a teaching moment about conceptual limitations of law in potential 4-way intersection situations? an illustration that inherently vague imprecations to be "careful" or to be generally "reasonable" necessarily underlie seemingly bright line rules such as those purporting to require yielding to other traffic that has the right of way before proceeding? if 4 drivers simultaneously arrive at a 4-way <Stop> sign intersection and even if none are driving while talking on their cell phones while using Twitter while also watching Netflix on their iPads, etc, if each must yield to the one who has the right of way, which one has the right of way? |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
"Liam O'Connor" > wrote in message
news:201e9$531f2830$43da7656 > If you have a *better* argument, please advise! You could try to find a different dead hobby-horse to flog. |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
On 03/14/2014 11:12 AM, sms wrote:
> On 3/12/2014 6:12 PM, Arif Khokar wrote: >> You just explained why having a 4-way stop intersection is one of the >> most stupid and idiotic way to handle traffic at lightly traveled >> intersections. It makes far more sense to designated one road as the >> minor one and post yield signs for that road only at the intersection. > > The reason for the stop signs at the intersection in question has > nothing to do with handling traffic. They are about two things: 1) > discouraging the use of this route as a bypass to major arterial roads, > 2) reducing vehicle speeds. That's not what stop signs are supposed to be used for according to the FHWA MUTCD. > Yield signs on the minor road would not > accomplish either of these goals. And how would you know this? |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
On 3/14/2014 10:51 AM, Arif Khokar wrote:
> On 03/14/2014 11:12 AM, sms wrote: >> On 3/12/2014 6:12 PM, Arif Khokar wrote: > >>> You just explained why having a 4-way stop intersection is one of the >>> most stupid and idiotic way to handle traffic at lightly traveled >>> intersections. It makes far more sense to designated one road as the >>> minor one and post yield signs for that road only at the intersection. >> >> The reason for the stop signs at the intersection in question has >> nothing to do with handling traffic. They are about two things: 1) >> discouraging the use of this route as a bypass to major arterial roads, >> 2) reducing vehicle speeds. > > That's not what stop signs are supposed to be used for according to the > FHWA MUTCD. Immaterial. That's what they are being used for, It's not illegal to do this, it's just not what is supposed to be done. Big difference. >> Yield signs on the minor road would not >> accomplish either of these goals. > > And how would you know this? There would be no need to slow down if not for the stop signs. This would make this route to the post office a much more desirable route. I used to live in that area and understand why they did what they did. |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
On 03/14/2014 06:52 PM, sms wrote:
> On 3/14/2014 10:51 AM, Arif Khokar wrote: >>> The reason for the stop signs at the intersection in question has >>> nothing to do with handling traffic. They are about two things: 1) >>> discouraging the use of this route as a bypass to major arterial roads, >>> 2) reducing vehicle speeds. >> >> That's not what stop signs are supposed to be used for according to the >> FHWA MUTCD. > > Immaterial. That doesn't change the facts I stated above. >>> Yield signs on the minor road would not >>> accomplish either of these goals. >> >> And how would you know this? > > There would be no need to slow down if not for the stop signs. You have to check for opposing traffic before proceeding. That requires slowing down to some extent. |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
"Arif Khokar" > wrote
> It makes far more sense to designated one road as the minor one and post > yield signs for that road only at the intersection. Most communities DO designate one street as the main and put stops only on the lesser street. The trick, of course, is that the designated main street has to be consistent for many blocks, but this has often been taken care of in the original street design anyway. Many cities create a main thoroughfare every 8 blocks (1 mile) or so. |
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What is the process to have an illegal STOP sign removed?
On 03/14/2014 08:56 PM, David Kaye wrote:
> "Arif Khokar" > wrote > >> It makes far more sense to designated one road as the minor one and post >> yield signs for that road only at the intersection. > > Most communities DO designate one street as the main and put stops only on > the lesser street. The trick, of course, is that the designated main street > has to be consistent for many blocks, but this has often been taken care of > in the original street design anyway. Many cities create a main > thoroughfare every 8 blocks (1 mile) or so. While that may be true, that doesn't explain the fact that in many areas, there are intersections with 4-way stop signs. What I'm proposing is to replace the 4 way stop with yield signs controlling the designated "minor" road. Unless there's a visibility issue, there's no need to have to come to a full stop prior to yielding to through traffic. Any stop sign where a lot of traffic ends up making a "rolling stop" instead of a full stop could just as well be replaced by a yield sign. |
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