The dangers of DRLs

In article > ,
223rem > wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "James C. Reeves" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>The way you describe your Jeep working sounds much more logical.
> >>
> >>I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just because
> >>I
> >>want to use the windshield washers, thank you.
> >
> >
> > Pardon me, but why would you *care*? What harm does it do?
>
> Because it is ****ing annoying, that's why.

Annoying, how? You can't even see your own lights.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> JohnH wrote:
> > 223rem wrote:
> > > Yesterday, in northern Michigan, was raining torrentially,
> > > and visibility was almost zero. Almost everyone was driving with
> > > their lights on, except for the GM cars, which had only their
> > > headlights (DRLs) on. Real helpful on the road in poor visibility
> > > conditions!
> > > Lots of GM cars have DRLs and automatic headlights,
> > > and give you the impression that you dont have to
> > > worry about your ligths.
> >
> > The headlights don't come on with the wipers?
>
> You mean they do in some cars?

Wow, how much more ignorance can you possibly display?

> Driving twenty year old beaters doesn't keep me up to date.
> Anyway it's a stupid idea.

You've *finally* figured out driving beaters is a bad idea.

> Everytime you add a new feature, it's just one more thing to go wrong.

So you should be driving 80 year old beaters, as they don't have
emergency brakes, so that's one less thing to go wrong with your ride.

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the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. I get
RESPECT now.
:
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"Alan Baker" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> 223rem > wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > "James C. Reeves" > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>The way you describe your Jeep working sounds much more logical.
>> >>
>> >>I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just
>> >>because
>> >>I
>> >>want to use the windshield washers, thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Pardon me, but why would you *care*? What harm does it do?
>>
>> Because it is ****ing annoying, that's why.
>
> Annoying, how? You can't even see your own lights.
>

Nor can you see the odometer, the trip computer/compass, the radio display,
etc. when they din in intensity when this happens. That's pretty damn
annoying. I agree 200% with 223rem on this one.

James C. Reeves wrote:
> "N8N" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> >
> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> >> JohnH wrote:
> >> > 223rem wrote:
> >> > > Yesterday, in northern Michigan, was raining torrentially,
> >> > > and visibility was almost zero. Almost everyone was driving with
> >> > > their lights on, except for the GM cars, which had only their
> >> > > headlights (DRLs) on. Real helpful on the road in poor visibility
> >> > > conditions!
> >> > > Lots of GM cars have DRLs and automatic headlights,
> >> > > and give you the impression that you dont have to
> >> > > worry about your ligths.
> >> >
> >> > The headlights don't come on with the wipers?
> >>
> >> You mean they do in some cars? Driving twenty year old beaters doesn't
> >> keep me up to date. Anyway it's a stupid idea. Everytime you add a new
> >> feature, it's just one more thing to go wrong.
> >
> > Holy crap a LBMHBF post I agree with. Who are those four scary looking
> > dudes on horseback anyway and what are they doing in my office?
> >
> > nate
> >
>
> I was wondering the same thing.

Quick! Move toward the light before it's too late!!

James C. Reeves wrote:
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>>> On my 98 Jeep, they come on with the lights when the lights are in
>>>> "auto" mode (which I always use).
>>>
>>> So your wipers always come on when your lights do? Even is it
>>> isn't raining?
>>
>> Make that the lights come on with the wipers.
>>
>
> Ah. That makes more sense. Does it still do this even when using the
> washers (and don't need the lights)?

Washing turns on the wipers without turning on the lights.

In article >,
"James C. Reeves" > wrote:

> "Alan Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > 223rem > wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker wrote:
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "James C. Reeves" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>The way you describe your Jeep working sounds much more logical.
> >> >>
> >> >>I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just
> >> >>because
> >> >>I
> >> >>want to use the windshield washers, thank you.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Pardon me, but why would you *care*? What harm does it do?
> >>
> >> Because it is ****ing annoying, that's why.
> >
> > Annoying, how? You can't even see your own lights.
> >
>
> Nor can you see the odometer, the trip computer/compass, the radio display,
> etc. when they din in intensity when this happens. That's pretty damn
> annoying. I agree 200% with 223rem on this one.

Then you're real complaint is with a badly designed instrument panel
lighting system...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

>> The way you describe your Jeep working sounds much more logical.
>
> I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just
> because I want to use the windshield washers, thank you.

They don't. Apparently there are some engineers at Chrysler who design for
the Real World (tm).

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Alan Baker wrote:

>> I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just
>> because I want to use the windshield washers, thank you.

> Pardon me, but why would you *care*? What harm does it do?

>> Because it is ****ing annoying, that's why.

> Annoying, how? You can't even see your own lights.

>> Nor can you see the odometer, the trip computer/compass, the radio
>> display, etc. when they din in intensity when this happens. That's
>> pretty damn annoying. I agree 200% with 223rem on this one.

> Then you're real complaint is with a badly designed instrument panel
> lighting system...

....so your solution is a logic circuit that not only discerns short from
long wiper activation, detects and disregards wiper activation in
combination with screenwashers, and maybe decides what kind of music you
really want to listen to at any given moment, even if you don't know it.

Sorry, I don't agree that endless cascades of increased automation and
complexity are a solution to anything, especially when they necessarily
entail removal of car control from the driver.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Alan Baker wrote:

>>I prefer not to have my lights pop on for a couple of minutes just
>>because I want to use the windshield washers, thank you.

> Pardon me, but why would you *care*? What harm does it do?

>> Because it is ****ing annoying, that's why.

> Annoying, how? You can't even see your own lights.

Alan, I notice you're in BC. Are you, by chance, a transplanted American?
Your "Me first, **** the rest of the world, I'm the only one whose
annoyance counts" attitude is most unCanadian.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, CH wrote:

> > Enforcement would be the best approach.
>
> There are too many laws already, why would you want something that minor
> cast into legalese?

It already is "cast into legalese" (which seems to be your hyped way of
saying "codified"), and has been since your great-grandpappy was driving
his Model-T...long before automatic headlamps.