How to flash VIN to used PCM?

1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
Plymouth, 4727154AJ.

Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
be a problem.

Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
-Paul

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
>
> Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> be a problem.
>
> Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> -Paul
>

Why don't you start by going to the dealer, telling him your story,
and asking him about it?

Did you save the old PCM? Maybe if it has a socketed rom chip
you can just take the rom from the old one and put it in the new one.

Frankly, I cannot imagine the smog check is going to care. They
use the VIN number to determine engine size and such, and since your
PCM came out of a GC that presumably had the same engine, when
they key either VIN into the test computer, it's going to setup the
test computer with the same testing levels.

Ted

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> > died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> > inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> > from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> > Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
> >
> > Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> > be a problem.
> >
> > Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> > done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> > me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> > -Paul
> >
>
> Why don't you start by going to the dealer, telling him your story,
> and asking him about it?
>

I asked for an appointment online, and filled in the details on the
online form. I'm waiting for them to get back to me. While I'm waiting,
I thought I'd find out what I could. I did find a procedure online for
initializing a new PCM. If there's not a VIN number, the DRB III tool
prompts you to enter one.

> Did you save the old PCM? Maybe if it has a socketed rom chip
> you can just take the rom from the old one and put it in the new one.
>

I saved it, but the circuit board is down in a cast housing and under
an inch of tough rubbery potting compound. I'm an electronic tech and
might have been able to fix it myself if it weren't for that. These
use surface mount flash memory chips, not old fashioned socketed ROM's.


> Frankly, I cannot imagine the smog check is going to care.

Heh heh! Part of the price of living in paradise. In California it's
all done by computer. The smog results are uploaded directly to the
DMV, using the VIN number is retrieved from the vehicle's computer. I
believe they do that to prevent fraud. Normally it's very slick. This
is just an oddball case. I may have to buy another PCM if I can't get
the proper VIN programmed into this used one.

-Paul

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> > > died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> > > inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> > > from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> > > Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
> > >
> > > Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> > > be a problem.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> > > done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> > > me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> > > -Paul
> > >
> >
> > Why don't you start by going to the dealer, telling him your story,
> > and asking him about it?
> >
>
> I asked for an appointment online, and filled in the details on the
> online form. I'm waiting for them to get back to me. While I'm waiting,
> I thought I'd find out what I could. I did find a procedure online for
> initializing a new PCM. If there's not a VIN number, the DRB III tool
> prompts you to enter one.
>
> > Did you save the old PCM? Maybe if it has a socketed rom chip
> > you can just take the rom from the old one and put it in the new one.
> >
>
> I saved it, but the circuit board is down in a cast housing and under
> an inch of tough rubbery potting compound. I'm an electronic tech and
> might have been able to fix it myself if it weren't for that. These
> use surface mount flash memory chips, not old fashioned socketed ROM's.
>
>
> > Frankly, I cannot imagine the smog check is going to care.
>
> Heh heh! Part of the price of living in paradise. In California it's
> all done by computer. The smog results are uploaded directly to the
> DMV, using the VIN number is retrieved from the vehicle's computer. I
> believe they do that to prevent fraud. Normally it's very slick. This
> is just an oddball case. I may have to buy another PCM if I can't get
> the proper VIN programmed into this used one.
>

I would still talk to the smog people, they must have a way to
override the VIN that is pulled from the vehicles computer.

Legally I do not think that there is any standing for a government
agency to use a VIN pulled from a vehicle computer as the
authoratative VIN. I suspect that buried in some federal law
is a statement that says that the VIN displayed in the winshield
is the only legal authoratative VIN. There's certainly federal
law that requires the VIN to be unique, and for it to be displayed
in a particular location. It would seem to me that if you have
a running vehicle that otherwise passes smog, that CA cannot
legally compel you to make a VIN that is pulled from the vehicle
computer match the actual VIN assigned to the plate riveted to
the chassis. After all, not all car computers have VINs in them,
and I do not believe that OBD-II requires VIN availability as
one of it's parameters. You could try going here and looking
into this:

http://www.epa.gov/obd/regtech/light.htm

I think that the VIN inclusion in OBD was for the OBD-III
standard which is after your 1998 vehicle. I think that CA
wanted this so they could eventually design a system that when
the car's emissions systems failed that the car would
report this to a state agency that could then compel the owner
to get it fixed immediately. But this scheme raised a huge
controversy and I think it was abandonded.

Ted

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
>
> Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> be a problem.
>
> Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> -Paul
> \
Just take the smog test and be on your way, The only thing they want to know
is if the engine lite is on and what is coming out the tailpipe. If the PCM
was not right for the vehicle the lite would turn on and fail.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Legally I do not think that there is any standing for a government
> agency to use a VIN pulled from a vehicle computer as the
> authoratative VIN. I suspect that buried in some federal law
> is a statement that says that the VIN displayed in the winshield
> is the only legal authoratative VIN. There's certainly federal
> law that requires the VIN to be unique, and for it to be displayed
> in a particular location. It would seem to me that if you have
> a running vehicle that otherwise passes smog, that CA cannot
> legally compel you to make a VIN that is pulled from the vehicle
> computer match the actual VIN assigned to the plate riveted to
> the chassis. After all, not all car computers have VINs in them,
> and I do not believe that OBD-II requires VIN availability as
> one of it's parameters. You could try going here and looking
> into this:
>
> http://www.epa.gov/obd/regtech/light.htm
>
> I think that the VIN inclusion in OBD was for the OBD-III
> standard which is after your 1998 vehicle. I think that CA
> wanted this so they could eventually design a system that when
> the car's emissions systems failed that the car would
> report this to a state agency that could then compel the owner
> to get it fixed immediately. But this scheme raised a huge
> controversy and I think it was abandonded.


In the land of unintended consequences and feel-good laws, they would
probably require him to scrap the vehicle because the VIN's don't match.
Just their contribution to "saving Mother Earth".

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Wrote:
> 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
>
> Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> be a problem.
>
> Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> -Paul


Vin no. can not be reset after it is programed in but.
But you might check it with a scanner. A used one may not even have had
it programed into the pcm yet.
If that is the case you can punch it in with a good scanner.
Also when you have a scanner on it check and see if the tire size is
set right.
That part can be reset.
The Vin No. in pcm should not be a problem on inspection as long as
check engine light is not on and no codes set.
Good Luck
MT


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maxpower wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > 1998 Grand Voyager, 3.3L engine. My PCM ( powertrain control module )
> > died a while back, and I was able to find a used one quite
> > inexpensively. I installed it and it worked just like before. It was
> > from a Dodge Grand Caravan, but had the same part number as my
> > Plymouth, 4727154AJ.
> >
> > Now it's time to smog it, and I know the VIN not matching is going to
> > be a problem.
> >
> > Anyone have any experience changing the VIN? I understand it can be
> > done with a DRB III scanner, but I expect the dealer is going to tell
> > me it can't be done or some such, which may or may not be true.
> > -Paul
> > \
> Just take the smog test and be on your way, The only thing they want to know
> is if the engine lite is on and what is coming out the tailpipe. If the PCM
> was not right for the vehicle the lite would turn on and fail.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech

That's encouraging, I guess I can ask. I'm dubious, though, unless the
smog techs have a way to override the VIN. As I said, it isn't going to
fly if they try to send the pass data to the state with the wrong VIN
number.
-Paul

Bill Putney wrote:
>
> In the land of unintended consequences and feel-good laws, they would
> probably require him to scrap the vehicle because the VIN's don't match.
> Just their contribution to "saving Mother Earth".

This is annoying, but I support the smog program. It's really
necessary in California. Even with these laws, my eyes sting from the
smog when I visit relatives near Los Angeles.

So I guess you could say they are literally "feel-good" laws. ;-)
-Paul

wrote:


> Heh heh! Part of the price of living in paradise. In California it's
> all done by computer. The smog results are uploaded directly to the
> DMV, using the VIN number is retrieved from the vehicle's computer. I
> believe they do that to prevent fraud. Normally it's very slick. This
> is just an oddball case. I may have to buy another PCM if I can't get
> the proper VIN programmed into this used one.

Are you sure the DMV/inspection station reads the VIN from the car? I
don't believe there are any generic protocols to permit this, so they
would need specialized equipment for all makes, which doesn't sound
realistic.

Where I live, the emissions inspection station is also online in real
time to the DMV. The VIN is obtained by scanning the barcode inside the
driver's door. For some reason the computer always prompts for the
engine model, even after it already has the VIN (which could be decoded
for the engine model if they felt like it). The inspection is primarily
now done via the OBD-II system, in most cases they don't even do a
dynanometer test for OBD-II cars, which they had been doing earlier.

My inspection station is friendly so I've been able to watch the process
pretty carefully.