Anco wiper blades called a CR best buy

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> "L Alpert" > wrote:
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>> > it's not electronic assist, it's electronic control. different things.
>> > the actuators are still hydraulic.
>>
>> Symantics.
>
> no, Symantec is a company.
>
> What you meant was "semantics".

Haha. Hylarious.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "L Alpert" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never had an issue with the Hondas I have owned over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years or so using off the shelf items such as ATF,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antifreeze, brake fluid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I seriously doubt that there is anything "special" about them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> label.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead, then, use non-Honda ATF and tell us what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same with coolant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shoot, same with power steering fluid nowadays.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're all part of a complex system that's highly engineered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone are the days of everybody using the same stuff that's off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the shelf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at Goober's gas station.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems are engineered using available standard materials.
>>>>>>>>>>>> not always true - look at clutch thrust bearings. bearings are
>>>>>>>>>>>> a commodity "material" with stock bearings available for every
>>>>>>>>>>>> conceivable application. but auto manufacturers spec clutch
>>>>>>>>>>>> thrust bearings that are almost always different and exclusive
>>>>>>>>>>>> from any of the off-the-shelf solutions. because they can.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would disagree with the assessment above. Thrust bearing
>>>>>>>>>>> applications are specific. In this case, their need has created
>>>>>>>>>>> a new standard unit because no other standard unit fit their
>>>>>>>>>>> model as well as they wanted it to.
>>>>>>>>>> but that's my point!!! it costs almost nothing extra to have a
>>>>>>>>>> custom bearing unit specific to the task!!! why should lubricant
>>>>>>>>>> be any different? [rhetorical] it's a batch process. it's a
>>>>>>>>>> piece of cake to do from a production viewpoint, and can have
>>>>>>>>>> substantial mechanical benefits as shown by the way honda atf
>>>>>>>>>> performs differently to non-honda atf.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd bet they considered stock items in their design first, before
>>>>>>>>>>> designing a new one.
>>>>>>>>>> maybe, maybe not. maybe they want lock-in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen no indications that Honda has used systems that has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced or required a technological breakthrough in auto fluids.
>>>>>>>>>>>> then you're not looking and you're not paying attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> facts. honda auto transmissions are not standard planetary honda
>>>>>>>>>>>> gear trains, they use a "stick" transmission configuration with
>>>>>>>>>>>> clutch packs instead of synchros. and they use one-way clutches
>>>>>>>>>>>> too. on that basis, i personally have absolutely no trouble
>>>>>>>>>>>> believing they'd need a different spec fluid. there's nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> "forcing" them to do it that way, but honda are different. oh,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and there's nothing "forcing" honda to make a car that will
>>>>>>>>>>>> routinely last, 300k, 500k, or more miles. but honda are
>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>> The only way to tell is to compare the actual specification for
>>>>>>>>>>> the Honda branded vs. those that are at least closely compared to
>>>>>>>>>>> it, such as the Mobil grades that have been discussed.
>>>>>>>>>> go ahead. but you'll be lucky to find anything specific since
>>>>>>>>>> most producers go out of their way to keep the public in the dark
>>>>>>>>>> about this stuff. there's more to oil than just viscosity index.
>>>>>>>>> There is plenty of more specific information available then
>>>>>>>>> viscosity index, isuch as SG, viscosity at s 100 deg C, Brookfield
>>>>>>>>> Viscosity and Phosphorous % by weight including the ASTM test
>>>>>>>>> methods used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does this tell the whole story, no, not quite,
>>>>>>>> can you understate that again please? i'm not sure i failed to
>>>>>>>> understand you properly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but it is good start for comparison purposes.
>>>>>>>> so, yet again, explain why honda atf, in a honda transmission,
>>>>>>>> shifts smoothly, but, say, castrol dexron III shifts like arnie's
>>>>>>>> humvee is nudging your back bumper? and why when you swap /back/ to
>>>>>>>> honda atf, does your transmission shift smoothly again???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used dextron III equivalent in my 01 accord, and there was no
>>>>>>> discernable difference in peformance or shifting of the transmission,
>>>>>>> so I could not comment on this phenomenon.
>>>>>> but you seem to have an opinion! how can you have an opinion if
>>>>>> you're not familiar with the facts?
>>>>> I cannot experience your "facts".
>>>> don't bother with my data - google this group and see how many times
>>>> this subject arises, how many times people complain of harsh shifting,
>>>> and how many times the cure is reversion to honda atf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and btw, the 01 accord has full electronic transmission control,
>>>>>> including engine down-power through ignition retardation on shifting.
>>>>>> so yes, you might well expect a smoother shift than you'd get with the
>>>>>> older transmissions. but because electronics compensate, doesn't mean
>>>>>> that the transmission is operating optimally as it would with the
>>>>>> factory spec atf.
>>>>> If the transmission is shifting optimally, then it is performing
>>>>> optimally. There is, after all, not much else for it to do.
>>>> i guess you're invested in that position now! but if you've only done
>>>> drain and fill once, you're still about 70% honda atf.
>>> Why change the subject and assume that I used some type of shortcut and
>>> that is why I had no issues with non-Honda ATF?
>> i'm not changing the subject. and drain-and-fill is honda factory
>> procedure. if you do that, you'll only change 30-odd percent of the fluid
>> each time. hence you may not have "contaminated" the fluid sufficiently
>> to have an adverse effect.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe it might have something to do with the mileage on the transmission
>>> and the year of the car itself. As you stated, the '01 Accord EX tranny
>>> has electronic means to assist
>> it's not electronic assist, it's electronic control. different things.
>> the actuators are still hydraulic.
>
> Symantics.

no, control and assistance are very different things. the vacuum servo
on your brakes assists, your foot controls.



>
>>
>>> in the shifting, and I'm sure my '04 Accord EX and '02 Civic EX would
>>> have the same or similar hardware. As well, none of them have over 80k
>>> miles on them, and I have had no issues with any of them shifting.
>> at only 80k miles, you shouldn't be changing the fluid anyway!
>>
>>
>>
>>> As far as the older Honda's I have owned over the years, they have not
>>> had automatic transmissions.
>>>
>>> As for as an "investment" in a position, that in itself is another matter
>>> of opinion. It is a shame that you have to feel as if any position has
>>> to be some sort of an investment as opposed to an open exchange of ideas.
>> someone is "invested" in their position is they stick to it, regardless of
>> contrary fact. you are indeed invested.
>
> It is obvious that your prejudices and your afinity to be right no matter
> what has affected your abilities to have any useful discussions.

eh? i'm seeking the facts - that's not a "prejudice" thing. i'd love
to use cheapo after-market atf on my honda, but experience has taught me
that it gives inferior results - for the reasons explained above so many
times.


> As such, I
> refuse to continue this discussion to the point that it degenerates into a
> typical usenet flamewar that will eventually have Godwin's law apply.
>
> Let's just say we agree to disagree and leave it at that. If you chose to
> continue the conversation, you may do so with yourself.

i don't see how you can reasonably object to getting facts straight
unless you're either somehow emotionally invested in something that's
not a fact or you think i'm bull****ting you.



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>>>>>>>>>>> I'll see if I google is my freind for this one today......
>>>>>>>> still waiting on that one...
>>>>>> found those specs yet?
>>>>> I have found them from Castrol, but finding them from the Z1 has proven
>>>>> to be quite difficult.
>>>> surprise.
>>> Not really. It was what I expected.
>> me too. but i wasn't making assertions that i could find the data like
>> you were!
>
>

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "L Alpert" > wrote:
>
>> > it's not electronic assist, it's electronic control. different things.
>> > the actuators are still hydraulic.
>>
>> Symantics.
>
> no, Symantec is a company.
>
> What you meant was "semantics".

I stand corrected. I must have had something else on my mind...!

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:47:59 -0400, "L Alpert" >
wrote:

>
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> "L Alpert" > wrote:
>>
>>> > it's not electronic assist, it's electronic control. different things.
>>> > the actuators are still hydraulic.
>>>
>>> Symantics.
>>
>> no, Symantec is a company.
>>
>> What you meant was "semantics".
>
>I stand corrected. I must have had something else on my mind...!
>

hehehehe

maybe he has a virus!

hehehehe

Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun. Your
vehicle must not sit outside like mine here in Tejas, and you certainly
don't use them as much as our 40+ inches of rain requires.

I was happy to keep my OEM silicone blades in place for 5 years until I
noticed the micro-abrasions in the windshield being caused by accumulated
particles embedded in the old blades. So, now I replace the blades every 18
months, and hope something breaks the windshield to justify getting a new
one without the micro streaks, which are obtrusive driving at night.

Vic

"Ashton Crusher" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:13:18 -0700 (PDT), "larry moe 'n curly"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> And yet I get better results every time with Tryco. Go figure.
>>
>>My Tripledge silicone rubber wipers are 15 years old and are as good
>>as new, meaning they don't wipe very well. But that's OK because I
>>live in sunny Phoenix
>
> So the silicone doesn't make a very good blade?? I've had silicone
> radiator hoses and they last forever.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:25:05 -0500, "VideoVic46" >
wrote:

>Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun. Your
>vehicle must not sit outside like mine here in Tejas, and you certainly
>don't use them as much as our 40+ inches of rain requires.
>
>I was happy to keep my OEM silicone blades in place for 5 years until I
>noticed the micro-abrasions in the windshield being caused by accumulated
>particles embedded in the old blades.

Um, Oooooooops! There's a reason for the annual changes...

> So, now I replace the blades every 18
>months, and hope something breaks the windshield to justify getting a new
>one without the micro streaks, which are obtrusive driving at night.

Get some glass buffing compound and you might be able to polish
those scratches out. It's made of Cerium Oxide or some really fine
abrasive in a carrier paste, and you use a powered pad buffer and a
brand new pad.

It's probably cheaper to buy the buffer and the compound once (and
stop following gravel trucks that close!) than to pay a lot more every
year for low-deductible glass coverage on your car insurance.

--<< Bruce >>--

A good reason to clean your wiper blades when you wash the car. You
do wash the car don't you? hehehhe

Jack

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:25:05 -0500, "VideoVic46" >
wrote:

>Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun. Your
>vehicle must not sit outside like mine here in Tejas, and you certainly
>don't use them as much as our 40+ inches of rain requires.
>
>I was happy to keep my OEM silicone blades in place for 5 years until I
>noticed the micro-abrasions in the windshield being caused by accumulated
>particles embedded in the old blades. So, now I replace the blades every 18
>months, and hope something breaks the windshield to justify getting a new
>one without the micro streaks, which are obtrusive driving at night.
>
>Vic
>
>"Ashton Crusher" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:13:18 -0700 (PDT), "larry moe 'n curly"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yet I get better results every time with Tryco. Go figure.
>>>
>>>My Tripledge silicone rubber wipers are 15 years old and are as good
>>>as new, meaning they don't wipe very well. But that's OK because I
>>>live in sunny Phoenix
>>
>> So the silicone doesn't make a very good blade?? I've had silicone
>> radiator hoses and they last forever.
>

"VideoVic46" > wrote:

>Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun.

Which blades that are silicone based are worth buying?

VideoVic46 wrote:

> Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun. Your
> vehicle must not sit outside like mine here in Tejas, and you certainly
> don't use them as much as our 40+ inches of rain requires.
>
> I was happy to keep my OEM silicone blades in place for 5 years until I
> noticed the micro-abrasions in the windshield being caused by accumulated
> particles embedded in the old blades. So, now I replace the blades every 18
> months, and hope something breaks the windshield to justify getting a new
> one without the micro streaks, which are obtrusive driving at night.
>
> Vic
>


You must live in east TX as we have barely received 12" in Austin this
year. <g>

That said, I too find that frequent replacements the best solution. And
even when they have hardly been used, replace 'em on time anyway.

That goes for my Hondas and ancient Studebakers equally.

JT

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> VideoVic46 wrote:
>
>> Odd that even silicone blades will hold up 15 years in the PHX sun.
>> Your vehicle must not sit outside like mine here in Tejas, and you
>> certainly don't use them as much as our 40+ inches of rain requires.
>>
>> I was happy to keep my OEM silicone blades in place for 5 years until
>> I noticed the micro-abrasions in the windshield being caused by
>> accumulated particles embedded in the old blades. So, now I replace
>> the blades every 18 months, and hope something breaks the windshield
>> to justify getting a new one without the micro streaks, which are
>> obtrusive driving at night.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>
>
> You must live in east TX as we have barely received 12" in Austin this
> year. <g>
>
> That said, I too find that frequent replacements the best solution. And
> even when they have hardly been used, replace 'em on time anyway.
>
> That goes for my Hondas and ancient Studebakers equally.
>
> JT
>

hey JT, have you found an acceptable replacement for the 12" blades on
the earlier cars? Besides the expen$ive Corvette repro rubber that is.

nate

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