Obama says trucks must do better

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:37:48 -0500, Hachiroku wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:01:41 -0500, Adrian wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku" > wrote in message
>> b.com...
>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:34:03 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you said "He's the worst President since Jimmy Carter, or Franklin
>>>>> Pierce", well, you must be a racist!!
>>>>
>>>> Every president is the worst president until the next one.
>>>
>>> He's starting to make Bush look good...
>>
>> But only to the blind (deaf and dumb).
>
>
> Not quite. That's who he looks *GOOD* to...


Um, Obama, that is...

Obama is driving through the city and he sees a girl with a basket and a
sign that says "Free Kittens". He tells the driver to stop, and gets out
of the car. He asks the girl how old the kittens are, and she says,
"They're so young, their eyes are still closed." So he asks her what kind
of kittens they are and she says, "Democrat kittens".

Well, he thinks this is pretty cool, so the next day he gets a few friends
and some people from the press and goes back to the same street. Sure
enough, the girl is still there with her basket and the "Free Kittens"
sign.

He tells the driver to pull over, and he and his entourage get out and go
up to the girl, and Obama says, with that big, broad grin, "WHAT kind of
kittens are they?" And the girl answers, "Republican kittens!"

Obama is a bit shaken and says, "But, yesterday you said they were
Democrat kittens!" And the girl answers,

"Yes, but today they have their eyes open..."

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:59:20 +0000, Brent wrote:

> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:50:14 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-08-10, Adrian > wrote:
>>>> "Hachiroku" > wrote in message
>>>> b.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:34:03 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you said "He's the worst President since Jimmy Carter, or Franklin
>>>>>>> Pierce", well, you must be a racist!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every president is the worst president until the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's starting to make Bush look good...
>>>>
>>>> But only to the blind (deaf and dumb).
>>>
>>> Obama has carried forward or amped up every Bush policy I can think of.
>>> Don't expect the media to cover it or the left to protest it, but it is
>>> true for everything I've followed. Obama has done more than Bush could
>>> have done with a 3rd term.
>>
>>
>> Um, is that "for" America or "TO" America...?
>
> The later.


Yeah...aren't you a Kiwi?

Pretty bad when THEY can see what's happening, and WE CAN'T!!!

Tegger said

> Brent > wrote in
> :
>
>> Obama won a popularity contest
> >
> I think Obama won because he was black. Did you watch his
> inauguration? I did. Precious few white faces in that crowd. 2008 was
> the most racist election in history.

If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you’re not a racist, you’ll have
to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot.

I can't wait till this guy is voted out of office.....

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:57:28 +0000, Brent wrote:

> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:59:20 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:50:14 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2011-08-10, Adrian > wrote:
>>>>>> "Hachiroku" > wrote in message
>>>>>> b.com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:34:03 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you said "He's the worst President since Jimmy Carter, or Franklin
>>>>>>>>> Pierce", well, you must be a racist!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every president is the worst president until the next one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's starting to make Bush look good...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But only to the blind (deaf and dumb).
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama has carried forward or amped up every Bush policy I can think of.
>>>>> Don't expect the media to cover it or the left to protest it, but it is
>>>>> true for everything I've followed. Obama has done more than Bush could
>>>>> have done with a 3rd term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um, is that "for" America or "TO" America...?
>>>
>>> The later.
>>
>>
>> Yeah...aren't you a Kiwi?
>
> no.
>
>> Pretty bad when THEY can see what's happening, and WE CAN'T!!!
>
> my "fellow americans" just consider me to be a kook. They -refuse- to
> see it. To see it means admiting they were conned so they don't admit
> it. The bu****es didn't and neither do the obamaites. They also tend to
> get very angry when someone presents facts that spoil their illusion.


HEY! WHADDYA MEAN "BUSH", HUH?!?!?!

Actually, I didn't like him either. Better than the Empty Suit there now,
though.

Oh, I thought you were the dude from NZ. That's OK, at least you aren't in
The Trance...

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:15 -0500, Hachiroku wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:57:28 +0000, Brent wrote:
>
>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:59:20 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:50:14 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2011-08-10, Adrian > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Hachiroku" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> b.com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:34:03 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2011-08-10, Hachiroku > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you said "He's the worst President since Jimmy Carter, or Franklin
>>>>>>>>>> Pierce", well, you must be a racist!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every president is the worst president until the next one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He's starting to make Bush look good...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But only to the blind (deaf and dumb).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama has carried forward or amped up every Bush policy I can think of.
>>>>>> Don't expect the media to cover it or the left to protest it, but it is
>>>>>> true for everything I've followed. Obama has done more than Bush could
>>>>>> have done with a 3rd term.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, is that "for" America or "TO" America...?
>>>>
>>>> The later.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah...aren't you a Kiwi?
>>
>> no.
>>
>>> Pretty bad when THEY can see what's happening, and WE CAN'T!!!
>>
>> my "fellow americans" just consider me to be a kook. They -refuse- to
>> see it. To see it means admiting they were conned so they don't admit
>> it. The bu****es didn't and neither do the obamaites. They also tend to
>> get very angry when someone presents facts that spoil their illusion.
>
>
> HEY! WHADDYA MEAN "BUSH", HUH?!?!?!
>
> Actually, I didn't like him either. Better than the Empty Suit there now,
> though.
>
> Oh, I thought you were the dude from NZ. That's OK, at least you aren't in
> The Trance...

That would probably be me

> I agree with you that it absurd to think that truck makers haven't been
> listening to their customers for the last several decades.

Fleet owners have endorsed the idea with open arms... they stand to
save a ton of money.
The engine makers have spent the last several decades being forced to
make their engines run cleaner, which they wouldnt have have done
without a government mandate. Now it's time to make them more
effecient.
Absolutely no harm in that.
Ben

> He's starting to make Bush look good...

Yes he is! Just ask one of the thousands of kids that he sent off to
die for no particular gain!


Damn, I promised myself I would never rise to the silly bait of
politics on a car group.
Back to the shadows...
Ben

On 08/11/2011 08:52 AM, ben91932 wrote:
>
>> I agree with you that it absurd to think that truck makers haven't been
>> listening to their customers for the last several decades.
>
> Fleet owners have endorsed the idea with open arms... they stand to
> save a ton of money.
> The engine makers have spent the last several decades being forced to
> make their engines run cleaner, which they wouldnt have have done
> without a government mandate.

true dat. electronically controlled common rail injection systems have
been available for 20+ years in europe, but it's only the last 10 or so
that they've been coming in over here. and even then, it's only when
companies like freightliner got bought by mercedes and updated their
systems that other manufacturers started to pay attention.

electronic control gave a 30% increase in fuel efficiency [and
emissions] overnight. prior to the europeans forcing us, we'd shown
absolutely no interest in improvement whatsoever, despite what you'd
think from the operator cost perspective.


> Now it's time to make them more
> effecient.
> Absolutely no harm in that.
> Ben


--
nomina rutrum rutrum

In article >,
ben91932 > wrote:
>
>> I agree with you that it absurd to think that truck makers haven't been
>> listening to their customers for the last several decades.
>
>Fleet owners have endorsed the idea with open arms... they stand to
>save a ton of money.
>The engine makers have spent the last several decades being forced to
>make their engines run cleaner, which they wouldnt have have done
>without a government mandate. Now it's time to make them more
>effecient.
>Absolutely no harm in that.

Well, it's interesting to see what happened in the seventies when the first
emissions standards came out. The first couple generations of emissions
control systems were pretty dreadful and resulted in dramatic decrease in
efficiency and performance. But by the eighties, manufacturers started to
get forced into adopting closed loop controls technology which wound up
making dramatic performance improvements as well as huge improvement in
emissions.

Forcing higher standards causes manufacturers to take risks on technologies
that in the end are apt to improve vehicles. Taking risks is not something
that manufacturers want to do, and sometimes the short-term results of some
of these risks are pretty awful even if the long-term results are beneficial.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:57:24 -0700, ben91932 wrote:

>
>> He's starting to make Bush look good...
>
> Yes he is! Just ask one of the thousands of kids that he sent off to
> die for no particular gain!

Why yes! And Obama has done SO WELL ending the conflicts, stopping wire
tapping, not tapping the Internet, closing Gitmo...should I continue?

>
>
> Damn, I promised myself I would never rise to the silly bait of
> politics on a car group.
> Back to the shadows...
> Ben