Considering a used BMW 530i V6

"dizzy" > wrote in message
...
> John Carrier wrote:
>
>>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
>>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
>>equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
>>installation
>>problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank
>>must
>>be well supported to avoid flexing.
>
> Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
> those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
> camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
> intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
> compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
> to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
> (although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
> mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
> popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
> engines.
>
> The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
> which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.

Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM ;-)

R / John

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:12:36 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

>John Carrier wrote:
>
>>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
>>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
>>equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation
>>problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must
>>be well supported to avoid flexing.
>
>Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
>those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
>camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
>intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
>compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
>to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
>(although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
>mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
>popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
>engines.
>
>The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
>which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.

Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s

Total crap but nice ideas.

--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:21:33 -0500, "John Carrier" > wrote:

>
>"dizzy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> John Carrier wrote:
>>
>>>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
>>>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
>>>equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates
>>>installation
>>>problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank
>>>must
>>>be well supported to avoid flexing.
>>
>> Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have
>> those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of
>> camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the
>> intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great
>> compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets
>> to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations
>> (although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like
>> mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely
>> popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck
>> engines.
>>
>> The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
>> which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
>
>Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
>teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
>V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM ;-)
>
>R / John
>

By which time there have thrown a couple of rods and dumped the oil on the floor
- unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine.
--

Sir Hugh of Bognor

The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen

Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

SNIP

>>Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when
>>teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings.
>>V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM
>>;-)
>>
>>R / John
>>
>
> By which time there have thrown a couple of rods and dumped the oil on the
> floor
> - unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine.

My point exactly. They were touching 20,000 RPM prior to the engine design
limits imposed.

R / John

In article >,
> wrote:
> >The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
> >which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.

> Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early
> 80s

> Total crap but nice ideas.

Volvo used the same idea. May still do.

--
*I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"dizzy" > wrote in message
...
> Tom K. wrote:
>
>>"dizzy" > wrote:
>>>
>>> The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
>>> which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
>>
>>Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the
>>transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300.
>
> Ironically, fitting a long motor transversely may be easier with
> motorcycles than with cars. With motorcycles, there is no "hard
> limit" to how wide the motor can be.

Unless one is in one of the areas where lane splitting is legal!

Tom K.

wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:12:36 GMT, dizzy > wrote:
>>
>>The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length,
>>which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications.
>
>Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s

There are some exceptions, yes. Suzuki recently put in I6 in the
Verona, for example, and Volvo has too, as Dave mentioned.

I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.

Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small repair
list on the internet BMW history.

Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...

First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.

Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security system,
stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.

Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the
dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as
fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.

Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as electrical
faults that come and go are not fix able usually.

Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.

Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.

sumbuddie wear blind sea





in article , IceMan
at wrote on 7/5/08 3:13 PM:

> I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended
> warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this
> series?
>
> Appreciate your help
>
> thanks

Alan B. Mac Farlane > wrote:
>Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
>tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the
>dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as
>fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.

So change the lamp socket.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6.

It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car.

Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250 per
year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures.

I'd consider a different specimen.





"Alan B. Mac Farlane" > wrote in message
...
>I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the
> beta version ... the first one off the assembly line.
>
> Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small
> repair
> list on the internet BMW history.
>
> Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ...
>
> First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in
> there with a screwdriver and screwed it up.
>
> Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault
> pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security
> system,
> stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way.
>
> Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right
> tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn
> the
> dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice
> as
> fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems.
>
> Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as
> electrical
> faults that come and go are not fix able usually.
>
> Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway.
>
> Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town.
>
> sumbuddie wear blind sea
>
>
>
>
>
> in article ,
> IceMan
> at wrote on 7/5/08 3:13 PM:
>
>> I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering
>> extended
>> warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with
>> this
>> series?
>>
>> Appreciate your help
>>
>> thanks
>