Lapping Sebring

On 11/24/2012 11:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
> can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
> just too stupid for words.

I've had the yellow flags come out for dogs on the track.

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In article >,
"Tom $herman (-_-)" "> wrote:

> On 11/24/2012 11:45 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > That it is not one long straight changes nothing. Put the power down
> > when it IS straight and it's just not very hard to do. The challenge
> > comes from putting the power down very near the limit before one has
> > exited from the corner; something I would never do on a public road,
> > BTW. Not leaving yourself a sizable margin for error on roads where you
> > can encounter other cars, pedestrians, cyclists... ...wildlife... ...is
> > just too stupid for words.
>
> I've had the yellow flags come out for dogs on the track.

I'm sure... ...but you will admit that's a rare occurrence...

....and you get a warning flag before you come upon the troublesome
condition!

;-)

--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
....well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook

On 11/25/2012 9:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article >,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)" "> wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2012 6:52 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> I think they both have interesting features. Although you'd think that
>>> the Corkscrew might qualify, what Laguna Seca doesn't have is the kind
>>> of linked turns that Sebring's got--three times if you run the full
>>> track. The Corkscrew really doesn't play out as a rhythm section in the
>>> same way.
>>
>> Try this track (the Motorplex, not the "big track") if you get a chance
>> - other than the front straight by the pits, you are setting up for the
>> next corner as you exit the first. And lots of elevation change - you
>> cannot really see around Turn 10 (the decreasing radius hairpin) until
>> you are in the corner.
>>
>> <https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Road+...ll=43.7987 03,
>> -87.998798&spn=0.001986,0.005284&sll=41.938317,-93.389798&sspn=4.192182,10.821
>> 533&oq=Road+America+&t=h&hq=Road+America,+Plymouth ,+WI&z=18>
>
> It's definitely on the list of places I'd love to run; if only for the
> fact that it has a "Canada corner". :-)
>
> I watched some video from the Runoffs this year and it looks like a real
> challenge.
>
Uh no, you misunderstand. I am talking about the little supermoto track
next to Hurry Downs on the big track (although the big track is cool too).

I'm the slow fat ******* on the Honda Dullsville:
<https://picasaweb.google.com/leemparks/20120929?authkey=Gv1sRgCIual9C2ho7XZw#579957021250 8143586>.
The big track is hidden behind the hay bales.

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In article >,
"Tom $herman (-_-)" "> wrote:

> On 11/25/2012 9:25 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)" "> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/23/2012 6:52 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> I think they both have interesting features. Although you'd think that
> >>> the Corkscrew might qualify, what Laguna Seca doesn't have is the kind
> >>> of linked turns that Sebring's got--three times if you run the full
> >>> track. The Corkscrew really doesn't play out as a rhythm section in the
> >>> same way.
> >>
> >> Try this track (the Motorplex, not the "big track") if you get a chance
> >> - other than the front straight by the pits, you are setting up for the
> >> next corner as you exit the first. And lots of elevation change - you
> >> cannot really see around Turn 10 (the decreasing radius hairpin) until
> >> you are in the corner.
> >>
> >> <https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Road+...=en&ll=43.7987
> >> 03,
> >> -87.998798&spn=0.001986,0.005284&sll=41.938317,-93.389798&sspn=4.192182,10.
> >> 821
> >> 533&oq=Road+America+&t=h&hq=Road+America,+Plymouth ,+WI&z=18>
> >
> > It's definitely on the list of places I'd love to run; if only for the
> > fact that it has a "Canada corner". :-)
> >
> > I watched some video from the Runoffs this year and it looks like a real
> > challenge.
> >
> Uh no, you misunderstand. I am talking about the little supermoto track
> next to Hurry Downs on the big track (although the big track is cool too).
>
> I'm the slow fat ******* on the Honda Dullsville:
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/leempar...Iual9C2ho7XZw#
> 5799570212508143586>.
> The big track is hidden behind the hay bales.

Ah.

Right.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

On 2012-11-25 18:14:32 +0000, "Goof" (AKA Zero The PUSSY)
> said:

>> LOL
>
>> I'll make the same offer I've made to others. Come out and show me what
>> you can do on the track. My next time out there will almost certainly be
>> an actual race weekend, so you'll really be able to show your stuff...
>
>
> I'll make you an offer blowhard. Come to my backyard and insult me to
> my face if you are man enough. If not STFU.

ooooh, aren't we getting bitchy, aren't we, PUSSY?

Next you'll be threatening to scratch Alan's eyes out, the way he has
you dangling

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:52:36 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article > , Carbon
> > wrote:
>
>> It looks like you were getting on it pretty good by the end of the
>> session.
>
> At the very least, I was starting to get consistent, and that starts
> to lead to getting faster. Thanks!
>
> :-)

So you've done the Skip Barber school a couple of times now, IIRC. What
do you think you do differently now, compared to when you started?

BTW, I'd really like to do this myself but am choosing not to be able to
afford it. I just know I'd be all, I need a trailer, I need a new
engine, I need new tires, and down the rabbit hole I'd go.

In article > ,
Carbon > wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:52:36 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article > , Carbon
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> It looks like you were getting on it pretty good by the end of the
> >> session.
> >
> > At the very least, I was starting to get consistent, and that starts
> > to lead to getting faster. Thanks!
> >
> > :-)
>
> So you've done the Skip Barber school a couple of times now, IIRC. What
> do you think you do differently now, compared to when you started?

I think I have a much better appreciation of how accurate you have to be
for the biggest factor. In driving on the street, even when you "push
the limit", the chances are that you really don't push them that hard.
So it doesn't matter if you don't get the line through a corner right;
there will always be enough traction left over to compensate.

And in combination and support of that, a lot of it comes down to using
your vision correctly. At first, it's very easy to focus on the portion
of the corner that you're currently driving--looking at the turn-in
point until you turn in, then looking at the apex marker until you apex,
etc., but what you really want to do is be looking further ahead. As you
approach a corner, yes: look at your braking point, but once you're
actually there, you should already be looking ahead to the turn-in
point, so that your brain can judge whether or not you're really going
to get slow enough by then. Then once you've got to the turn-in point,
you should already be looking toward your chosen apex and before you
even get to it, you should be looking at that track out point.

When you do all that correctly, your brain can process whether or not
you've overdone a braking point, whether you can get on the power
earlier, or whether you need to wait, and so on.

>
> BTW, I'd really like to do this myself but am choosing not to be able to
> afford it. I just know I'd be all, I need a trailer, I need a new
> engine, I need new tires, and down the rabbit hole I'd go.

Preaching to the choir, here. :-)

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."