drain plug is stuck

Anyone ever have their drain plug get stuck? I have a 2001 L300
Sedan,
V6. The drain plug just turns, it will not come out. The service
guy at one dealer said he thought there was a nut on the inside of the
oil pan that could have broken loose. The service department at a
different
dealer said that there was no nut in there. I bought a replacement
plug,
and the thing looks way too short to fit through both the pan and then
through
a nut on the other side. Seems to me its more likely that the threads
are simply stripped to the point I can't get the plug out.
Bottom line...anyone have any advice on getting the plug out? I am
about to take the whole oil pan off to get to it from the other side.

It requires a T45 Torx socket.
If someone uses an allen wrench, it strips the threads in short order.
It's made of aluminum.
Perhaps you can grab it both pulling and turning with a Vice Grip to get it
out.

"Chris" > wrote in message
om...
> Anyone ever have their drain plug get stuck? I have a 2001 L300
> Sedan,
> V6. The drain plug just turns, it will not come out. The service
> guy at one dealer said he thought there was a nut on the inside of the
> oil pan that could have broken loose. The service department at a
> different
> dealer said that there was no nut in there. I bought a replacement
> plug,
> and the thing looks way too short to fit through both the pan and then
> through
> a nut on the other side. Seems to me its more likely that the threads
> are simply stripped to the point I can't get the plug out.
> Bottom line...anyone have any advice on getting the plug out? I am
> about to take the whole oil pan off to get to it from the other side.

The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
the force outward to get the plug out.



"rufus" > wrote in message >...
> It requires a T45 Torx socket.
> If someone uses an allen wrench, it strips the threads in short order.
> It's made of aluminum.
> Perhaps you can grab it both pulling and turning with a Vice Grip to get it
> out.
>
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Anyone ever have their drain plug get stuck? I have a 2001 L300
> > Sedan,
> > V6. The drain plug just turns, it will not come out. The service
> > guy at one dealer said he thought there was a nut on the inside of the
> > oil pan that could have broken loose. The service department at a
> > different
> > dealer said that there was no nut in there. I bought a replacement
> > plug,
> > and the thing looks way too short to fit through both the pan and then
> > through
> > a nut on the other side. Seems to me its more likely that the threads
> > are simply stripped to the point I can't get the plug out.
> > Bottom line...anyone have any advice on getting the plug out? I am
> > about to take the whole oil pan off to get to it from the other side.

I changed the oil only once since I got my '01 L300 (bought used this past
January). I change the oil hot after a good warm-up to get any sludge
drained too. Even hot, I thought it very difficult to remove the drain plug
even using the correct wrench and a 3/8" breaker bar. with a bit of effort,
it came out. Since the plug has an o-ring seal, I felt that it didn't have
to go back in all that tight. No leaks yet and it is nearly time to change
the oil again. Looks to me that the dealer used an impact wrench to put the
plug on last.

Sounds like you have a problem on your hands. I don't recall a threaded
sleeve into the pan. I think that the pan itself was threaded. Are you the
original owner and do you know if the plug was ever stripped and someone put
in a repair sleeve? Sounds like you may have to pull the pan and perhaps
take it to a machine shop.

Oppie

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"Chris" > wrote in message
om...
| The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
| the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
| itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
| plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
| grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
| at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
| the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
| the force outward to get the plug out.
|
|

In article >,
says...
> I changed the oil only once since I got my '01 L300 (bought used this past
> January). I change the oil hot after a good warm-up to get any sludge
> drained too. Even hot, I thought it very difficult to remove the drain plug
> even using the correct wrench and a 3/8" breaker bar. with a bit of effort,
> it came out. Since the plug has an o-ring seal, I felt that it didn't have
> to go back in all that tight. No leaks yet and it is nearly time to change
> the oil again. Looks to me that the dealer used an impact wrench to put the
> plug on last.
------
> Sounds like you have a problem on your hands. I don't recall a threaded
> sleeve into the pan. I think that the pan itself was threaded. Are you the
> original owner and do you know if the plug was ever stripped and someone put
> in a repair sleeve? Sounds like you may have to pull the pan and perhaps
> take it to a machine shop.
>
> Oppie
>
> _________________
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> om...
> | The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
> | the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
> | itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
> | plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
> | grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
> | at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
> | the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
> | the force outward to get the plug out.
> |

It can be helicoiled while on the car. Might have to drill a hole in the
plug, tap it, then use a slide hammer on it. Just flush the chips out
afterwards. Personally I would replace that damn plug with a good old
"hex head" plug.

In article >,
hooser > wrote:

> Personally I would replace that damn plug with a good old
> "hex head" plug.


Depends. When done right, Torx is actually a nice design. For
instance, the primary drain plug on my Harley is a T-40, an it works
well because it's *DEEP*. The primary cover screws? They were T-27
button head and man did that suck. I went to allen heads, which at
least were semi workable.

I don't get why companies have such a hard-on about Torx anyway. It's
really not that spectaular of a fastener design, and in some ways is
pretty stupid...

"Philip Nasadowski" > wrote in message
...
> Depends. When done right, Torx is actually a nice design. For
> instance, the primary drain plug on my Harley is a T-40, an it works
> well because it's *DEEP*. The primary cover screws? They were T-27
> button head and man did that suck. I went to allen heads, which at
> least were semi workable.
>
> I don't get why companies have such a hard-on about Torx anyway. It's
> really not that spectaular of a fastener design, and in some ways is
> pretty stupid...

Definitely do not skimp on getting a good set of torx drivers. A cheap set
(as with most cheap tools) will cause you more cost in stripped and broken
parts.

I heard once, that the torx fasteners were used because they were well
suited to automated assembly machines and robotics.

I just checked the L-series shop manual. The only note about the oil pan was
that the plug was to be tightened to 18 foot pounds. I am very disappointed
in the manuals for doing any general mechanical work.

Have you checked if there was a TSB on the oil plug?
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"Chris" > wrote in message
om...
| The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
| the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
| itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
| plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
| grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
| at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
| the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
| the force outward to get the plug out.
|

I dont know how they could be more descriptive there?

Lefty loosy, righty tighty?.......

In article >,
says...
> I just checked the L-series shop manual. The only note about the oil pan was
> that the plug was to be tightened to 18 foot pounds. I am very disappointed
> in the manuals for doing any general mechanical work.
>
> Have you checked if there was a TSB on the oil plug?
> _________________
> "Chris" > wrote in message
> om...
> | The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
> | the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
> | itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
> | plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
> | grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
> | at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
> | the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
> | the force outward to get the plug out.
> |

I've almost finished this repair work. To make the long story short,
I had to remove the pan and drill the old plug out. Just couldn't get
it out without drilling it. Tried everything too. Maybe could have
drilled it without removing the pan, but it would have been tough to
apply enough pressure to make progress. After drilling it out, I
took it to a machine shop to retap it to the correct size for a Fram
quick change plug. That pan is made of aluminum and I'm afraid it'll
strip again in the future, so I'm trying the quick change plug (i.e.
you don't remove the plug at all, there is a valve in the plug that
opens up when you connect the corresponding tube to change the oil).
Hopefully the shop won't have any problems...should be an easy job
for them.
Couldn't tell for sure, given that the drill bit chewed the hell out
of
the threading in there, but it looked like parts of the old plug and
the
pan were stripped. There is no nut or bushing on the inside of the
pan, something I thought might be causing the problem. Bottom line,
if the plug
just spins, something is stripped, and you'll have to drill it out.

Blah Blah > wrote in message >...
> I dont know how they could be more descriptive there?
>
> Lefty loosy, righty tighty?.......
>
> In article >,
> says...
> > I just checked the L-series shop manual. The only note about the oil pan was
> > that the plug was to be tightened to 18 foot pounds. I am very disappointed
> > in the manuals for doing any general mechanical work.
> >
> > Have you checked if there was a TSB on the oil plug?
> > _________________
> > "Chris" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > | The female part of the plug is not stripped. I have access to
> > | the T45 Torx socket, and there is no slippage there. But the plug
> > | itself just turns. There is a very small overhang on the side of the
> > | plug to try vice grips, which I tried, but I can't get a good enough
> > | grip to pull out and turn at the same time. I'm just real curious
> > | at this point what is happening. I guess the threads are stripped on
> > | the plug and/or the pan. I'm hoping once I get the pan off, I can apply
> > | the force outward to get the plug out.
> > |