Dark Side of Hybrid Vehicles

Sparky Spartacus wrote:
> Steve Bigelow wrote:
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>> "Abeness" > wrote in message
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>>> Jason wrote:
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>>>> I advise you to buy a copy of the magazine and read the article.
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>>> Could also read it at the library or maybe even online.
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>> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....age_num ber=1
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>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>
>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
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>
> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>
> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.

Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>
>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
>
>
> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>
> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.

what ya expect from a rich, fat, old, alcoholic white man? dudes got a
nose like WC fields...

wrote:
> dang, why do you need to buy Honda civic hybrid if you can buy Honda
> jazz with comparable MPG? lol...........
>
> i definitely would prefer honda jazz with lower engine that has
> comparable MPG...LOL
>
>
jazz not available yet, and some peeps need to sport their "eco-bling"

Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
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>> /please/ read sci.materials abe. pretty please?
>
>
> Look, jim, Uncle Al won't convince me that it's unworkable (though I
> gotta say his "****anium" comment in anotehr thread had me in stitches).
> So there are technical challenges to surmount? So it's currently an
> expensive proposition? So it may not be the most efficient thing around?
> Does that make it impossible? No.

no, it's not impossible, but neither is actively reducing the mercury
content of the oceans or mining manganese from the moon. it's just
wildly dangerous and spectacularly uneconomic. sounds great politically
though, that /that's/ what the whole hydrogen car hoopla is all about.
and the extraction of "research funds" of course.

>
> I'm not much invested in the issue, frankly. Haven't explored the Honda
> FCX stuff either, actually, just ran across it today for the first time.
> I'm not saying it's safe, and am quite willing to accept that there are
> dangers. I do intend to keep an open mind about it. One of these decades
> we're gonna run out of oil (or the surface of the earth will sink into
> the void we've left behind by pumping it all out <g>), and we need to
> pursue alteratives.

SoCalMike wrote:

> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
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>>> Hardly any bias evident there! lol....
>>>
>>> He drives an F-350 dually and a H2.
>>
>>
>>
>> "While the greenies and their flunkies in the so-called major media
>> palpitate over the future of the hybrid..."
>>
>> I got this far. Brock Yates is past his shelf life.
>
>
> what ya expect from a rich, fat, old, alcoholic white man?

About what the article said.

> dudes got a nose like WC fields...

Oy!

In article >,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote:

> In article .com>,
> wrote:
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> > I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic -
> > no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go
> > to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
>
> Actually, that's what scares me about the Toyota parallel system. It's
> SO dependent on the software, there's no way to limp home.
>
> A simple series system like Honda's IMA is really the essence of Honda
> engineering.

But Honda's system doesn't work nearly as well. The Accord Hybrid is
almost a joke with its tiny 15HP electric motor. It can go on full
assist at 20MPH and you don't feel any acceleration.

In article >,
jim beam > wrote:

> wrote:
> > I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic -
> > no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go
> > to hydrogen systems, but never electric.
> >
> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe.

One might have said the same about acetylene. There are ways to solve
the pressure problems. Some have already been discovered and are
waiting for technology improvements. There may be even simpler
solutions in the future.

Abeness said
> Casey wrote:
> > Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.
>
> Hah hah, thanks for refs, Casey. Normally I don't, but this one
> apparently slipped under the radar.

This seems to be one of the ones that slips under most people's radar.
I've overheard conversations where the topic was that "crazy-looking
idea for a home computer with a steering wheel". It does look just
like something out of an old Popular Science magazine.


Casey

jim beam wrote:
> no, it's not impossible, but neither is actively reducing the mercury
> content of the oceans or mining manganese from the moon. it's just
> wildly dangerous and spectacularly uneconomic. sounds great politically
> though, that /that's/ what the whole hydrogen car hoopla is all about.
> and the extraction of "research funds" of course.

Maybe so. Out of curiosity, what would be your suggestion for an
alternative power source for consumer vehicles?

Gordon McGrew > wrote:

> So could someone please summarize this dirty little secret?

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9489
The hybrid portion is filled with diatribe and a few factoids.

http://fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/030705.html

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