Should this trooper be fired?

"DTJ" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:25:40 -0800, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
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>>Does anybody know for an actual fact that jaybird is a real live law
>>enforcement officer? Is it not possible that he's an anti-cop troll? I
>>know he's certainly decreased MY respect for the average everyday cop.
>>
>>I've known only one cop, and that was 50 years ago. He seemed just
>>about as arrogant.
>
> You have a point, because of all the cops I know, I have never met one
> that is as much of an asshole as jaybird is. I know dozens who are
> fine, outstanding people, who condemn his views every time I show them
> what he says. One, a state cop in Illinois, has basically said he
> would like to go visit jaybird in texas and leave him in the gulf.

That's strange. All the cops I know agree with me.

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"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:25 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:13:14 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect,
>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>> have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's OK, there's still lots of polite, conscientious people who's
>>>>>like
>>>>>to have jobs.
>>>>
>>>>Not that job.
>>>>
>>>>It takes a special kind of person to put his life on the line on a
>>>>daily basis, and to put up with all the crap and frustration that
>>>>comes with the job - and, on top of it all, to be paid peanuts for it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He was a 911 operator. How much money should he get?
>>
>>No, he was a Trooper assigned to working 911.
>
> And his function was 911 operator. How much money should he get?

.....his...normal...pay?

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"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:49:30 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>
>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:59 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Now, if the cop made an honest mistake, I would support him EVEN IF HE
>>>>>HAD A HISTORY of bad mistakes. The issue is the behavior in question,
>>>>>not how someone else behaves, nor what he did in the past.
>>>>
>>>>Usually before an employee can be fired for cause, a pattern of
>>>>unprofessional behavior must be documented. Unless you're Donald
>>>>Trump, you can't just tell an employee "you're fired" on impulse
>>>>(unless you want to be sued). You have to give the employee a
>>>>documented opportunity to "straighten up" before you can drop the axe.
>>>>I imagine these requirements are even more stringent in a strong union
>>>>environment such as the FOP. Bottom line, even if his boss wanted to
>>>>fire that trooper, he probably couldn't do it because of the 18 year
>>>>clean record.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps his superiors should be fired for covering up all the bad ****
>>> he did for 18 years.
>>
>>Can you provide a cite for that information?
>
> Do you understand the word "perhaps"?

Sure, but it's still an accusation based on nothing.

>
>> None of us have seen anything
>>from his past.
>
> Do you believe he just snapped one day?

None of us know why he did what he did. What we do know is that it
happened, and we do know that he has a spotless 18 year record.

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I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:51:04 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>
>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> should roll off like water from a duck's back.
>>>>
>>>>This is just a good oportunity to have a voice. Cops aren't really
>>>>allowed
>>>>to voice an opinion to the public or to violators, they just have to do
>>>>their job and move on with their mouth shut; their statements given by
>>>>public information officers and attorneys. I can't really call some guy
>>>>a
>>>>prick on the side of the road for arguing about being pulled over, I
>>>>can't
>>>>tell my side of an arrest or complaint that's just made the local news,
>>>
>>>
>>> And it's a good thing too - then EVERYONE would know what a liar you
>>> are.
>>
>>Oh wow. Now I'm a liar too. You sound more and more believable by the
>>post.
>
> Coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents the facts in order
> to defend the indefensible is a liar.
>
> If you don't like it, tell the truth.

Of course. All I've done is re-stated the information we already have.

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Car wrote:
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> From the Hartford Courant
>
> Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>
> Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>
> By TRACY GORDON FOX
> Courant Staff Writer
>
> March 22, 2005
>
> A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
> for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
> "too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
> last August.
>
> State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
> affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
> death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
> injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.
>
> "The investigation revealed inappropriate and unprofessional
> language," said Sgt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman.
> "The investigation revealed that despite the comments, state
> police and emergency service arrived promptly."
>
> But state police Commissioner Leonard C. Boyle said residents
> expect more from the state police when they call for help.
>
> "When someone reports a serious incident on a 911 call,
> the person receiving that call has an obligation to receive
> information, convey information back to that person and do
> so in a respectful manner," Boyle said Monday.
>
> Sawyer's family hired a lawyer, complained to state police,
> and requested the tape of the incident after learning what
> the trooper had said to Sawyer's friend. No lawsuit has been
> filed. Sawyer's family could not be reached for comment Monday.
>
> Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
> barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
> investigation for several offenses, including conduct
> unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
> of decorum, police said.
>
> The trooper hung up on the caller because he apparently
> thought he had received several other calls about the same
> incident. But Boyle said the investigation showed that the
> call from the friend was the first Troop E received for that
> accident. It also showed that Peasley was rude to a second
> caller who reported the accident, telling him Sawyer
> "shouldn't have been riding that way."
>
> Union officials said they will fight to reduce the punishment,
> especially considering that Peasley, an 18-year veteran, has
> a good record and had not previously been in trouble.
>
> "It's a tragedy. But the discipline imposed is extremely
> harsh and not warranted," union President David LeBlanc
> said Monday.
>
> LeBlanc said Peasley and the one civilian dispatcher on
> duty on the evening of Aug. 17 were swamped with calls from
> another accident and several other incidents.
>
> LeBlanc said the incident illustrates the stress on
> dispatchers and troopers who man the desks at the busiest
> barracks.
>
> "It's out of control, and the agency has refused to
> staff it appropriately," LeBlanc said.
>
> Boyle said the department is looking into ways to better
> handle 911 calls.
>
> "In this instance, the investigation established the
> trooper had the opportunity and should have taken and
> provided more information," Boyle said.

After reading this article I conclude the trooper is
an anti-biker, who cannot tolerate anyone who rides
motorcycles. His attitude and actions were criminal
and negligent. How can anyone justify what he did,
and the way he acted? There are thousands of unemployed
citizens who could perform much better than this
pitiful asshole.


Dave

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:37:27 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>> Coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents the facts in order
>> to defend the indefensible is a liar.
>>
>> If you don't like it, tell the truth.
>
>Of course. All I've done is re-stated the information we already have.

Nope - that's what I have done, but I don't expect you to mend your
ways simply because I've called you on it.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:36:01 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

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>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:49:30 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:59 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Now, if the cop made an honest mistake, I would support him EVEN IF HE
>>>>>>HAD A HISTORY of bad mistakes. The issue is the behavior in question,
>>>>>>not how someone else behaves, nor what he did in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>>Usually before an employee can be fired for cause, a pattern of
>>>>>unprofessional behavior must be documented. Unless you're Donald
>>>>>Trump, you can't just tell an employee "you're fired" on impulse
>>>>>(unless you want to be sued). You have to give the employee a
>>>>>documented opportunity to "straighten up" before you can drop the axe.
>>>>>I imagine these requirements are even more stringent in a strong union
>>>>>environment such as the FOP. Bottom line, even if his boss wanted to
>>>>>fire that trooper, he probably couldn't do it because of the 18 year
>>>>>clean record.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps his superiors should be fired for covering up all the bad ****
>>>> he did for 18 years.
>>>
>>>Can you provide a cite for that information?
>>
>> Do you understand the word "perhaps"?
>
>Sure, but it's still an accusation based on nothing.


It's a question. Why are you being so defensive. I've also said that
maybe he did really think help had already been dispatched.

Was that an accusation too?

>
>>
>>> None of us have seen anything
>>>from his past.
>>
>> Do you believe he just snapped one day?
>
>None of us know why he did what he did. What we do know is that it
>happened, and we do know that he has a spotless 18 year record.

Do you assume that a "spotless" record means he has been a model cop
all these years?

I'd bet Barney Fife had a "spotless" record too. Would you really
want him on your local PD without Andy along to save the day?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:57:51 -0600, DTJ > wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:31:16 -0700, L Sternn > wrote:
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>>To be fair to 911 operators in general, you do hear good stories about
>>them from time to time.
>>
>>A few months back some kid called up to say his parent was either dead
>>or dying. I don't remember the details, but it was a young kid and
>>she stayed on the line with him until help arrived.
>
>True, but there are a lot of very bad ones. The mayor of my town is
>in a ****ing match with the city that provides our 911 service. They
>are so tired of his ****, that if you call for anything other than a
>decapitation, they don't even bother to notify our police. I called
>because some kids were smacking a younger child around, and then
>trying to damage city property. I got tired of waiting for the cops,
>so I drove the block to the fire department. I noticed a cop coming
>out, so I asked if he was responding to the call I placed. He asked
>what call, then asked me to wait - I heard the notification come over
>about the kids. It had been more than 20 minutes.
>
>Guess what, the kids were now nowhere to be seen.
>
>I did have an incident a while ago (different town) where someone
>tried to break into my home, ignoring my 110 pound dog. The 911
>operator managed to get 2 or 3 departments there in under 2 minutes.
>Unfortunately about 30 seconds prior to that the person looked in the
>window and saw me on the phone, figured the cops were on the way and
>booked.
>
>Just like any job there are good and bad. The issue is that bad cops,
>bad 911 operators and lawyers should all be shot and hung.

I'd be willing to settle for fired in most cases. This particular one
might merit something more. After all, he recklessly endangered the
lives of the public in general.

I think execution is a bit harsh in this case unless it can be shown
that the victim died because of the pig's inaction.

This is where jaybird will jump in to say the POS Peasely has alredy
been acquitted, but of course, there hasn't even been a trial. In
fact, the victim is dead and based upon the news I have read on this
subject, I firmly believe that dispatch was delayed.

Whether or not it contributed tio his death, I cannot be sure. What I
am sure of is that the potential for his "inefficient action" to cause
death existed.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:32:09 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>
>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:25 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:13:14 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect,
>>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>> have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's OK, there's still lots of polite, conscientious people who's
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>to have jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not that job.
>>>>>
>>>>>It takes a special kind of person to put his life on the line on a
>>>>>daily basis, and to put up with all the crap and frustration that
>>>>>comes with the job - and, on top of it all, to be paid peanuts for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He was a 911 operator. How much money should he get?
>>>
>>>No, he was a Trooper assigned to working 911.
>>
>> And his function was 911 operator. How much money should he get?
>
>....his...normal...pay?

Oh, I forgot. All you assholes belong to a union.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:38:10 -0600, DTJ > wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:11 -0700, L Sternn > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:39:46 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>>> The difference is most people are held accountable for things that
>>>> they say and do.
>>>>
>>>> This cop could have been responsible for people dying, and you want to
>>>> give him a pass.
>>>
>>>I believe that even in the follow up articles it was stated that his
>>>comments had no effect on the response time.
>>
>>No harm, no foul?
>
>I like that angle. From now on, we should all be free to shoot at
>every cop we see, as long as we don't actually hit them. Shooting at
>them has no effect, thus we can't be arrested unless we actually hit
>them somewhere they could be injured. Wait, I guess that means we can
>shoot them in the head too.

Heh - I already followed up that angle. Even if the shot was due to
negligence, jaybird claimed it was a completely different situation.