Should this trooper be fired?

"Cartlon Shew" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:26:13 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> > wrote:
>
>>That set of comments (not just one, mind you) wreaked havoc on the
>>feelings
>>of two parents who had just lost their son in an accident.
>
> Did you read the articles on it?
> They wreaked havoc on the feelings of the people calling 911 and I'm
> sure with the parents feelings even before their son died a week
> later.

Actually, no. I saw no article on it. However, yesterday morning I did see
the parents of the victim on the "Early Show". The father did most of the
talking, but they were both devastated and said why. Not only did they have
to deal with the tragic loss of their son, but then they had to add the
nasty comments from Trooper Peasley. They expected better treatment from
him.

> I'd really like to know how the cops are capable of making the medical
> judgment that the guy would have died anyway.

In a court of law, I think they would refer to that as speculation.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:48:10 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

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>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:25 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:13:14 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect,
>>>>> we'd
>>>>> have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>>>>
>>>>That's OK, there's still lots of polite, conscientious people who's like
>>>>to have jobs.
>>>
>>>Not that job.
>>>
>>>It takes a special kind of person to put his life on the line on a
>>>daily basis, and to put up with all the crap and frustration that
>>>comes with the job - and, on top of it all, to be paid peanuts for it.
>>>
>>
>> He was a 911 operator. How much money should he get?
>
>No, he was a Trooper assigned to working 911.

And his function was 911 operator. How much money should he get?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:51:04 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

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>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:28:34 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>>> should roll off like water from a duck's back.
>>>
>>>This is just a good oportunity to have a voice. Cops aren't really
>>>allowed
>>>to voice an opinion to the public or to violators, they just have to do
>>>their job and move on with their mouth shut; their statements given by
>>>public information officers and attorneys. I can't really call some guy a
>>>prick on the side of the road for arguing about being pulled over, I can't
>>>tell my side of an arrest or complaint that's just made the local news,
>>
>>
>> And it's a good thing too - then EVERYONE would know what a liar you
>> are.
>
>Oh wow. Now I'm a liar too. You sound more and more believable by the
>post.

Coming from someone who intentionally misrepresents the facts in order
to defend the indefensible is a liar.

If you don't like it, tell the truth.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:49:30 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

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>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:59 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>Now, if the cop made an honest mistake, I would support him EVEN IF HE
>>>>HAD A HISTORY of bad mistakes. The issue is the behavior in question,
>>>>not how someone else behaves, nor what he did in the past.
>>>
>>>Usually before an employee can be fired for cause, a pattern of
>>>unprofessional behavior must be documented. Unless you're Donald
>>>Trump, you can't just tell an employee "you're fired" on impulse
>>>(unless you want to be sued). You have to give the employee a
>>>documented opportunity to "straighten up" before you can drop the axe.
>>>I imagine these requirements are even more stringent in a strong union
>>>environment such as the FOP. Bottom line, even if his boss wanted to
>>>fire that trooper, he probably couldn't do it because of the 18 year
>>>clean record.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps his superiors should be fired for covering up all the bad ****
>> he did for 18 years.
>
>Can you provide a cite for that information?

Do you understand the word "perhaps"?

> None of us have seen anything
>from his past.

Do you believe he just snapped one day?

Car wrote:
>
> From the Hartford Courant
>
> Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>
> Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>
> By TRACY GORDON FOX
> Courant Staff Writer
>
> March 22, 2005
>
> A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
> for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
> "too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
> last August.
>
> State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
> affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
> death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
> injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.
>
> "The investigation revealed inappropriate and unprofessional
> language," said Sgt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman.
> "The investigation revealed that despite the comments, state
> police and emergency service arrived promptly."
>
> But state police Commissioner Leonard C. Boyle said residents
> expect more from the state police when they call for help.
>
> "When someone reports a serious incident on a 911 call,
> the person receiving that call has an obligation to receive
> information, convey information back to that person and do
> so in a respectful manner," Boyle said Monday.
>
> Sawyer's family hired a lawyer, complained to state police,
> and requested the tape of the incident after learning what
> the trooper had said to Sawyer's friend. No lawsuit has been
> filed. Sawyer's family could not be reached for comment Monday.
>
> Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
> barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
> investigation for several offenses, including conduct
> unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
> of decorum, police said.
>
> The trooper hung up on the caller because he apparently
> thought he had received several other calls about the same
> incident. But Boyle said the investigation showed that the
> call from the friend was the first Troop E received for that
> accident. It also showed that Peasley was rude to a second
> caller who reported the accident, telling him Sawyer
> "shouldn't have been riding that way."
>
> Union officials said they will fight to reduce the punishment,
> especially considering that Peasley, an 18-year veteran, has
> a good record and had not previously been in trouble.
>
> "It's a tragedy. But the discipline imposed is extremely
> harsh and not warranted," union President David LeBlanc
> said Monday.
>
> LeBlanc said Peasley and the one civilian dispatcher on
> duty on the evening of Aug. 17 were swamped with calls from
> another accident and several other incidents.
>
> LeBlanc said the incident illustrates the stress on
> dispatchers and troopers who man the desks at the busiest
> barracks.
>
> "It's out of control, and the agency has refused to
> staff it appropriately," LeBlanc said.
>
> Boyle said the department is looking into ways to better
> handle 911 calls.
>
> "In this instance, the investigation established the
> trooper had the opportunity and should have taken and
> provided more information," Boyle said.

After reading this article I conclude the trooper is
an anti-biker, who cannot tolerate anyone who rides
motorcycles. His attitude and actions were criminal
and negligent. How can anyone justify what he did,
and the way he acted? There are thousands of unemployed
citizens who could perform much better than this
pitiful asshole.


Dave

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:11 -0700, L Sternn > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:39:46 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>> The difference is most people are held accountable for things that
>>> they say and do.
>>>
>>> This cop could have been responsible for people dying, and you want to
>>> give him a pass.
>>
>>I believe that even in the follow up articles it was stated that his
>>comments had no effect on the response time.
>
>No harm, no foul?

I like that angle. From now on, we should all be free to shoot at
every cop we see, as long as we don't actually hit them. Shooting at
them has no effect, thus we can't be arrested unless we actually hit
them somewhere they could be injured. Wait, I guess that means we can
shoot them in the head too.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:18:07 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>>>If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect, we'd
>>>have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>>
>> And your point?
>
>My point is, the rude cops need better training in customer service.
>
>> Uh, Mr Boss, I interviewed everybody for the job of Nuclear Power
>> Plant Safety Operator and the best qualified one was this chimp. I
>> figure we should hire him because otherwise we would have nobody to
>> watch out for the public safety.
>
>I would say let's send out another RFA and not lower job
>experience/performance standards.

Which is NOT what you imply above. I don't care if we only have 100
cops in the entire country. If we need to fire the rest, we need to
do so. Keeping bad cops on the payroll is far worse than not having
any cops.

The fact is, if we got rid of all of the bad cops, there would be a
lot more people applying for the job. Right now the only ones doing
so are criminals (see New Orleans), psychopaths, hard asses and a very
few really good people who do it in spite of all the jaybirds out
there.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:25:40 -0800, The Real Bev
> wrote:

>Does anybody know for an actual fact that jaybird is a real live law
>enforcement officer? Is it not possible that he's an anti-cop troll? I
>know he's certainly decreased MY respect for the average everyday cop.
>
>I've known only one cop, and that was 50 years ago. He seemed just
>about as arrogant.

You have a point, because of all the cops I know, I have never met one
that is as much of an asshole as jaybird is. I know dozens who are
fine, outstanding people, who condemn his views every time I show them
what he says. One, a state cop in Illinois, has basically said he
would like to go visit jaybird in texas and leave him in the gulf.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:27:21 -0700, L Sternn > wrote:

>>> I'm glad someone besides me isn't blinded by the argument that the cop
>>> was merely being rude.
>
>Cool, maybe I can learn something from him.
>
>Hey, DTJ. **** you! ;-)

Well **** you too! Hey by the way, I think Bev hit on something. Has
anyone ever met a cop as ignorant as jaybird? Even if a cop really
felt the way he does, I doubt they would admit to it.

Bev outed the troll!!!

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:31:16 -0700, L Sternn > wrote:

>To be fair to 911 operators in general, you do hear good stories about
>them from time to time.
>
>A few months back some kid called up to say his parent was either dead
>or dying. I don't remember the details, but it was a young kid and
>she stayed on the line with him until help arrived.

True, but there are a lot of very bad ones. The mayor of my town is
in a ****ing match with the city that provides our 911 service. They
are so tired of his ****, that if you call for anything other than a
decapitation, they don't even bother to notify our police. I called
because some kids were smacking a younger child around, and then
trying to damage city property. I got tired of waiting for the cops,
so I drove the block to the fire department. I noticed a cop coming
out, so I asked if he was responding to the call I placed. He asked
what call, then asked me to wait - I heard the notification come over
about the kids. It had been more than 20 minutes.

Guess what, the kids were now nowhere to be seen.

I did have an incident a while ago (different town) where someone
tried to break into my home, ignoring my 110 pound dog. The 911
operator managed to get 2 or 3 departments there in under 2 minutes.
Unfortunately about 30 seconds prior to that the person looked in the
window and saw me on the phone, figured the cops were on the way and
booked.

Just like any job there are good and bad. The issue is that bad cops,
bad 911 operators and lawyers should all be shot and hung.