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Old January 19th 20, 07:31 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
dsi1[_11_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have a 1974 Dodge Dart Swinger, straight 6, with a strange starting
> problem:
>
> After driving the car for a random amount of time, then stopping, the
> car won't start. If I leave it sit for a small amount of time (10
> minutes) then play around trying to start it for anywhere between 10 and
> 30 minutes, it will finally start. If I leave it overnight, it will
> start every time. I know this much:
>
> - It's definitely electrically related: the battery is good, there is
> no sound, click, etc., when starting. The headlights are bright white
> and do not flicker even the tiniest amount when trying to start.
> - It's not the neutral safety switch, I replaced that. That is, it's
> not the switch on the transmission itself , but for all I know, there
> are other parts involved that might be faulty.
>
> I'm hesitant to mention, because I really have no idea, but it's
> possible that the starting problem occurs after the car gets wet.
> Certainly the above symptoms are consistent with something drying out
> after getting wet. They also seem consistent with something heating up
> or perhaps a static charge building up, then dissipating.
>
> I'm looking for any starting point here, I don't want to go down blind
> alleys.
>
> How likely are the following?
>
> - That the ignition switch in the steering column itself has stopped
> working properly?
> - That the wiring between the ignition switch and the neutral safety
> switch has gone bad?
> - There is some sort of relay or solenoid that the ignition switch
> wiring goes to, then combines with the battery lead and the ignition
> safety switch, then to the starter and starter solenoid. What can I do
> to check that each lead is getting it's required current/voltage? This
> seems to me to be a good spot to check all wiring.
> - A friend (who used to have a Dart) pointed out a ceramic piece just
> under the hood, near the drivers side passenger area, that he said once
> upon a time had to be replaced a couple of times. This isn't even
> shown on my Haynes manual. What could this be and could it be related?
>
> Sorry for the long story, I just wanted to give all the facts.
>
> Thanks for your time.


Just replace the starter. My boss used to have a car like that. It was the hot rod version and had a "340" bumble bee stripe on the rear, big tires, and a jacked up appearance. I'd go on errands and sometimes have to wait for the starter to cool down before it would start. If you applied the brakes too hard, it would start to squealing and sliding. That was embarrassing.

He also had a hot rod Pinto. That was okay with me. I liked driving his tiny Ford Fiesta the most.
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Old January 20th 20, 04:28 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Mark Olson
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

dsi1 > wrote:
> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:


>> Thanks for your time.


[snip]

> Just replace the starter.


Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there waiting
for a starter after 17 years have gone by?

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Old January 20th 20, 10:29 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
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On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark Olson wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
> > On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:

>
> >> Thanks for your time.

>
> [snip]
>
> > Just replace the starter.

>
> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there waiting
> for a starter after 17 years have gone by?


You know that's not the case, I know that's not the case, even God knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly question? What I really think is that it doesn't matter how much time has passed. Good advice is always good advice. Bad advice and silly notions will always be useless.
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Old January 20th 20, 05:36 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
The Real Bev[_5_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On 01/20/2020 01:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark Olson wrote:
>> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
>>> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:

>>
>>>> Thanks for your time.

>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Just replace the starter.

>>
>> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there waiting
>> for a starter after 17 years have gone by?

>
> You know that's not the case, I know that's not the case, even God
> knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly question? What I
> really think is that it doesn't matter how much time has passed. Good
> advice is always good advice. Bad advice and silly notions will
> always be useless.


Usenet, the world's biggest and longest-lasting source of useful free
information on a variety of subjects. Or at least it used to be.

When I discovered it in 1994 I was amazed that you could ask a question
and get a GOOD answer from someone on the other side of the world within
MINUTES sometimes.

--
Cheers, Bev
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice,
but in practice there is.
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Old January 20th 20, 07:54 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
dsi1[_11_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/20/2020 01:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark Olson wrote:
> >> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Thanks for your time.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> Just replace the starter.
> >>
> >> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there waiting
> >> for a starter after 17 years have gone by?

> >
> > You know that's not the case, I know that's not the case, even God
> > knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly question? What I
> > really think is that it doesn't matter how much time has passed. Good
> > advice is always good advice. Bad advice and silly notions will
> > always be useless.

>
> Usenet, the world's biggest and longest-lasting source of useful free
> information on a variety of subjects. Or at least it used to be.
>
> When I discovered it in 1994 I was amazed that you could ask a question
> and get a GOOD answer from someone on the other side of the world within
> MINUTES sometimes.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> In theory there is no difference between theory and practice,
> but in practice there is.


It used to be when a more valuable, purer, resource back in the old days when the posters were mostly from educational institutions, government agencies, and science labs. There used to be more decorum and civility, less gossip and name calling. That's the breaks.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....I/fD3k2Z7MjgIJ
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Old January 23rd 20, 07:40 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
The Real Bev[_5_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On 01/20/2020 10:54 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-10, The Real Bev
> wrote:
>> On 01/20/2020 01:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark Olson
>>> wrote:
>>>> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> Just replace the starter.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there
>>>> waiting for a starter after 17 years have gone by?
>>>
>>> You know that's not the case, I know that's not the case, even
>>> God knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly question?
>>> What I really think is that it doesn't matter how much time has
>>> passed. Good advice is always good advice. Bad advice and silly
>>> notions will always be useless.

>>
>> Usenet, the world's biggest and longest-lasting source of useful
>> free information on a variety of subjects. Or at least it used to
>> be.
>>
>> When I discovered it in 1994 I was amazed that you could ask a
>> question and get a GOOD answer from someone on the other side of
>> the world within MINUTES sometimes.

>
> It used to be when a more valuable, purer, resource back in the old
> days when the posters were mostly from educational institutions,
> government agencies, and science labs. There used to be more decorum
> and civility, less gossip and name calling. That's the breaks.


But there was the Green Card Lottery...

The tech groups seem to be alive and well, although sadly diminished.
Hobby groups are nearly invisible. My motorcycle and skiing 'friends'
(some of whom I've 'known' since 1995) have moved to facebook, so I did
too, but it's no substitute. You just don't meet new people unless
they're friends of friends. And you never get ALL the posts; you get
different ones depending on which browser and/or device you're using. I
wish I knew why Zuckerberg thinks that's a good idea.

> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....I/fD3k2Z7MjgIJ


But using Thunderbird is SOOOOO much better than the website. There
were real advantages to using tin as a newsreader, though...

And I really wish I knew what happened to Scott en Aztlan and his yellow
Corvette.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
going to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
-Elric of Imrryr


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Old January 24th 20, 02:23 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
AMuzi
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On 1/23/2020 12:40 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/20/2020 10:54 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-10, The Real
>> Bev
>> wrote:
>>> On 01/20/2020 01:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark
>>>> Olson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just replace the starter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there
>>>>> waiting for a starter after 17 years have gone by?
>>>>
>>>> You know that's not the case, I know that's not the
>>>> case, even
>>>> God knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly
>>>> question?
>>>> What I really think is that it doesn't matter how much
>>>> time has
>>>> passed. Good advice is always good advice. Bad advice
>>>> and silly
>>>> notions will always be useless.
>>>
>>> Usenet, the world's biggest and longest-lasting source of
>>> useful
>>> free information on a variety of subjects. Or at least
>>> it used to
>>> be.
>>>
>>> When I discovered it in 1994 I was amazed that you could
>>> ask a
>>> question and get a GOOD answer from someone on the other
>>> side of
>>> the world within MINUTES sometimes.

>>
>> It used to be when a more valuable, purer, resource back
>> in the old
>> days when the posters were mostly from educational
>> institutions,
>> government agencies, and science labs. There used to be
>> more decorum
>> and civility, less gossip and name calling. That's the
>> breaks.

>
> But there was the Green Card Lottery...
>
> The tech groups seem to be alive and well, although sadly
> diminished. Hobby groups are nearly invisible. My
> motorcycle and skiing 'friends' (some of whom I've 'known'
> since 1995) have moved to facebook, so I did too, but it's
> no substitute. You just don't meet new people unless
> they're friends of friends. And you never get ALL the
> posts; you get different ones depending on which browser
> and/or device you're using. I wish I knew why Zuckerberg
> thinks that's a good idea.
>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....I/fD3k2Z7MjgIJ
>>

>
> But using Thunderbird is SOOOOO much better than the
> website. There were real advantages to using tin as a
> newsreader, though...
>
> And I really wish I knew what happened to Scott en Aztlan
> and his yellow Corvette.
>


And death has taken her toll of usenet as well.
Young people don't know about it at all.

--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #8  
Old January 24th 20, 07:19 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Arlen Holder[_2_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:40:46 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> But using Thunderbird is SOOOOO much better than the website. There
> were real advantages to using tin as a newsreader, though...


And rn before that, as I recall!

I had a 1970 Dodge Dart in 1980 just after I left grad school but I don't
remember anything about the electrical system so I can't help the OP.

At about 100K, the front shook so much at speed that I replaced the pitman
arm, idler arm, ball joints, and tie rod ends.

I didn't know about alignment in those days, so I just marked the mating
parts and bolts (which I had to do anyway since I did the toe myself, with
a helper).

Took it to Sears.

Learned a lesson that mechanics are crooks.

Sears charged me but I never saw the guy do anything to the car, but I
didn't know then to watch every second of what they do.

Back home, not a single marked bolt was moved.

Took it back, and they found nothing was even close except the toe (which I
had done).

The mechanic's charts only went back 10 years so he simply didn't do
anything.

That's not even my first experience with mechanics who are crooks (don't
even ask me about AAMCO on that same Dodge Dart).

Basically, what I learned was mechanics are crooks.

That's why I do all my own work today.

I feel sorry I can't help the OP though.
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Old January 24th 20, 11:13 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
dsi1[_11_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 8:40:51 PM UTC-10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/20/2020 10:54 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-10, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
> >> On 01/20/2020 01:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 5:28:12 PM UTC-10, Mark Olson
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> dsi1 <dsi> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-10, pawn wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for your time.
> >>>>
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just replace the starter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you really think he's still got that car sitting there
> >>>> waiting for a starter after 17 years have gone by?
> >>>
> >>> You know that's not the case, I know that's not the case, even
> >>> God knows that's not the case. Why even ask that silly question?
> >>> What I really think is that it doesn't matter how much time has
> >>> passed. Good advice is always good advice. Bad advice and silly
> >>> notions will always be useless.
> >>
> >> Usenet, the world's biggest and longest-lasting source of useful
> >> free information on a variety of subjects. Or at least it used to
> >> be.
> >>
> >> When I discovered it in 1994 I was amazed that you could ask a
> >> question and get a GOOD answer from someone on the other side of
> >> the world within MINUTES sometimes.

> >
> > It used to be when a more valuable, purer, resource back in the old
> > days when the posters were mostly from educational institutions,
> > government agencies, and science labs. There used to be more decorum
> > and civility, less gossip and name calling. That's the breaks.

>
> But there was the Green Card Lottery...
>
> The tech groups seem to be alive and well, although sadly diminished.
> Hobby groups are nearly invisible. My motorcycle and skiing 'friends'
> (some of whom I've 'known' since 1995) have moved to facebook, so I did
> too, but it's no substitute. You just don't meet new people unless
> they're friends of friends. And you never get ALL the posts; you get
> different ones depending on which browser and/or device you're using. I
> wish I knew why Zuckerberg thinks that's a good idea.
>
> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....I/fD3k2Z7MjgIJ

>
> But using Thunderbird is SOOOOO much better than the website. There
> were real advantages to using tin as a newsreader, though...
>
> And I really wish I knew what happened to Scott en Aztlan and his yellow
> Corvette.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> "Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
> going to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
> -Elric of Imrryr


Being able to read posts and do a search on the same page is a wonderful ability. Google Groups' retention policy of forever is a wonderful thing. I used to use Thunderbird and it was okay. I don't anymore because it requires that I use a NNTP provider to access the posts. That also means that you have to have the Tbird desktop client loaded in your machine. I don't need any of that and I can access posts on any internet connected device. A web interface means that I can access any documents that I'm working on in any machine - even cell phones it's all good.
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Old January 25th 20, 07:18 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Arlen Holder[_2_]
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Default Dodge Dart electrical problems/starting problems

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:13:50 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:

> Being able to read posts and do a search on the same
> page is a wonderful ability. Google Groups' retention
> policy of forever is a wonderful thing.


In addition...

Just in case folks are unaware of the links for the dejanew's Google Groups
"permanent" searchable web archives of this newsgroup, here is an easily
remembered link:
o <http://tinyurl.com/rec-autos-tech>

See also:
o <http://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>

If you know of other "permanent" free web-searchable public archives for
this Usenet newsgroup, please let us all know so that we all benefit from
what you know.

--
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