Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

In article >, Michael Johnson, PE wrote:

> That's a nice looking car but I think the odds of it seeing the light of
> day are slim. GM has some huge problems to take care of and a new
> Camaro won't solve any of them. Just like the Mustang hasn't solved
> Ford's problems with the other cars in their lineup. I hope they do
> come out with a Camaro but the odds of GM making it a complete package
> (performance, style, utility while being affordable) are low at best.

Given GM's pattern, it will be a FWD car too!

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:54:40 -0400, Ritz > wrote:

>Rich wrote:
>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>> Why won't they do it?
>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>> -Rich
>
>Cuz they don't have to? People voted with their pocketbooks.
>
>If you want a supercar, but a GT. If you want a fast mustang, buy a
>supercharger.

The entire "retro" package could be rounded out with the equivalent
of a big block.
-Rich

"Rich" > wrote in message
...
> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
> Thunderbird about three years ago.
> Why won't they do it?
> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?

How about a new aluminum big block 427 side oiler!? Genesis has this block
in the Ford Racing Performance Parts Catalog now. This would drastically
increase their production and lower the cost substantially. Supercharge it!
6 speed manual transmission! Posi-lock rear end! Then, Ford could one up
the 2006 GT 500 and the Corvette all in one!

I think Ford should hire me! That's the best idea I heard in a long time!

--
John
'69 Mach 1 390 Toploader Acapulco Blue
ThunderSnake #59

Rich wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:54:40 -0400, Ritz > wrote:
>
>
>>Rich wrote:
>>
>>>One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>>A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>>I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>>Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>>Why won't they do it?
>>>How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>>-Rich
>>
>>Cuz they don't have to? People voted with their pocketbooks.
>>
>>If you want a supercar, but a GT. If you want a fast mustang, buy a
>>supercharger.
>
>
> The entire "retro" package could be rounded out with the equivalent
> of a big block.


You can get the same amount of power found in a vintage big block with a
lot less weight in a properly tuned modern small block V8 or V6 plus
forced induction. And if you can drive it like a sane person, you even
get relatively good gas mileage instead of the single digit mpg of an
old big block.

If you want vintage, buy a vintage car.

John wrote:
> "Rich" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>Why won't they do it?
>>How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>
>
> How about a new aluminum big block 427 side oiler!? Genesis has this block
> in the Ford Racing Performance Parts Catalog now. This would drastically
> increase their production and lower the cost substantially. Supercharge it!
> 6 speed manual transmission! Posi-lock rear end! Then, Ford could one up
> the 2006 GT 500 and the Corvette all in one!
>
> I think Ford should hire me! That's the best idea I heard in a long time!
>


While I love the 427 side oiler, I don't fondly remember having to
re-adjust the valves every other month. That was the best part
(at least from a routine maintenance standpoint) about the "upgrade" to
a 428cj, hydraulic lifters.

Cheers,

Brent P wrote:
> In article >, Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>
>> That's a nice looking car but I think the odds of it seeing the light of
>> day are slim. GM has some huge problems to take care of and a new
>> Camaro won't solve any of them. Just like the Mustang hasn't solved
>> Ford's problems with the other cars in their lineup. I hope they do
>> come out with a Camaro but the odds of GM making it a complete package
>> (performance, style, utility while being affordable) are low at best.
>
> Given GM's pattern, it will be a FWD car too!

Actually, I think GM killed the RWD platform they were working on. It
was to be the base of several RWD vehicles ala DC's 300M/Charger etc.

"Ritz" > wrote in message
...
> John wrote:
>> "Rich" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>>A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>>I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>>Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>>Why won't they do it?
>>>How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>
>>
>> How about a new aluminum big block 427 side oiler!? Genesis has this
>> block
>> in the Ford Racing Performance Parts Catalog now. This would drastically
>> increase their production and lower the cost substantially. Supercharge
>> it! 6 speed manual transmission! Posi-lock rear end! Then, Ford could
>> one up the 2006 GT 500 and the Corvette all in one!
>>
>> I think Ford should hire me! That's the best idea I heard in a long
>> time!
>>
>
>
> While I love the 427 side oiler, I don't fondly remember having to
> re-adjust the valves every other month. That was the best part
> (at least from a routine maintenance standpoint) about the "upgrade" to a
> 428cj, hydraulic lifters.

Been there, done that. Luckily, the Genesis lifter galleys are drilled to
accept hydraulic or solid lifters. I think hydraulic roller tappets would
be just dandy!

--
John
'69 Mach 1 390 Toploader Acapulco Blue
ThunderSnake #59

John wrote:
>>While I love the 427 side oiler, I don't fondly remember having to
>>re-adjust the valves every other month. That was the best part
>>(at least from a routine maintenance standpoint) about the "upgrade" to a
>>428cj, hydraulic lifters.
>
>
> Been there, done that. Luckily, the Genesis lifter galleys are drilled to
> accept hydraulic or solid lifters. I think hydraulic roller tappets would
> be just dandy!


Just dandy for your neighborhood gas station. 8-) Those engines use an
ungodly amount of gas. Great to collect, but tough to live with on a
daily basis.

Cheers,

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> Rich wrote:
>>
>>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>> Why won't they do it?
>>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>> -Rich
>>
>>
>> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
>> gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar.
>> And no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market
>> niche and collect money while there is no direct competition...
>
>
> While GM is standing around with its head up its ass Ford is busy
> creating the next generation of Mustang fanatics with the '05+ cars. In
> a few years the younger crowd will say "What's a Camaro?" if GM doesn't
> act soon.

Or they think 'camaro' in the same thought as 'mullett'

ZombyWoof wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:48:36 GMT, " >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Rich wrote:
>>
>>>One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>>A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>>I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>>Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>>Why won't they do it?
>>>How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>>-Rich
>>
>> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
>>gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
>>no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
>>collect money while there is no direct competition...
>>
>
> GM has already announced that the new F-car will make it's appearance
> in 2007. Artist renderings & guesses at overall look have it go
> sixties retro like the current Mustang.

*ITS NOT HERE NOW*. Artists renderings of me in 2 years give me muscles
like Arnie and attributes like John Holmes.