If you have your choice...

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> Gill wrote:
>
>> RichA wrote:
>>
>>> What method of horsepower increase would you choose?
>>> -Supercharger.
>>> -Nitrous
>>> -More cubic inches
>>> -A more refined (upped compression, etc) motor?
>>>
>>> Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to it's
>>> simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle
>>> is perhaps easier.
>>> -Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Procharger power baby! I have all the torque I need for the street and
>> top end pulls like wild horses. With the big intercooler up front
>> there's no need to keep filling a damn water/alcohol bottle, run race
>> fuel or pull timing too much.
>
>
> With the new generation of Kenne Bell blowers for the 4.6L Mustangs you
> can have massive low-end torque and great peak hp numbers. Best of both
> worlds short of twin turbos.

Well, if your somehow connected to KB, maybe you can get me one for
free. I'll do some "Testing" :^)

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yesterday driving in traffic next to a black c5 z06 - plate said blownls6 -
sounded mean as hell and had a weird whistle while cruising

driver told me "408 iron block with f-1 (?) procharger"

needless to say i didn't even try in my stock pulley cobra...

=)




"Gill" > wrote in message
...
> RichA wrote:
> > What method of horsepower increase would you choose?
> > -Supercharger.
> > -Nitrous
> > -More cubic inches
> > -A more refined (upped compression, etc) motor?
> >
> > Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to
> > it's simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle
> > is perhaps easier.
> > -Rich
>
> Procharger power baby! I have all the torque I need for the street and
> top end pulls like wild horses. With the big intercooler up front
> there's no need to keep filling a damn water/alcohol bottle, run race
> fuel or pull timing too much.
>
> --
> Tropic Green Y2k GT Coupe
> http://tinyurl.com/avta4

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:36:41 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:
<snip>
>
>With the new generation of Kenne Bell blowers for the 4.6L Mustangs you
>can have massive low-end torque and great peak hp numbers. Best of both
>worlds short of twin turbos.
>
Yeah if gas was .50 cents a gallon again. Right now if I want to beat
just about anybody in the 1760 dash I'll do it via motorcycle and do
it cheaply as well. If gas goes any higher it will be time to go
Prius shopping.
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Gill wrote:
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>
>> Gill wrote:
>>
>>> RichA wrote:
>>>
>>>> What method of horsepower increase would you choose?
>>>> -Supercharger.
>>>> -Nitrous
>>>> -More cubic inches
>>>> -A more refined (upped compression, etc) motor?
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to it's
>>>> simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle
>>>> is perhaps easier.
>>>> -Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Procharger power baby! I have all the torque I need for the street
>>> and top end pulls like wild horses. With the big intercooler up front
>>> there's no need to keep filling a damn water/alcohol bottle, run race
>>> fuel or pull timing too much.
>>
>>
>>
>> With the new generation of Kenne Bell blowers for the 4.6L Mustangs
>> you can have massive low-end torque and great peak hp numbers. Best
>> of both worlds short of twin turbos.
>
>
> Well, if your somehow connected to KB, maybe you can get me one for
> free. I'll do some "Testing" :^)

The only connection I have with KB is they have a got a good bit of my
money over the years. One thing I can tell you is that driving a car
with a twin screw blower, that is properly tuned, will put a grin on
your face that Ajax can't remove.

Chris Shea wrote:
> yesterday driving in traffic next to a black c5 z06 - plate said blownls6 -
> sounded mean as hell and had a weird whistle while cruising
>
> driver told me "408 iron block with f-1 (?) procharger"
>
> needless to say i didn't even try in my stock pulley cobra...

Wow! Now THAT'S the best of both worlds! Or three, or four.
I think the f-1 is a step over the D1-SC Enough CFMs for up to 1000hp

>
> =)
>
>
>
>
> "Gill" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>RichA wrote:
>>
>>>What method of horsepower increase would you choose?
>>>-Supercharger.
>>>-Nitrous
>>>-More cubic inches
>>>-A more refined (upped compression, etc) motor?
>>>
>>>Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to
>>>it's simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle
>>>is perhaps easier.
>>>-Rich
>>
>>Procharger power baby! I have all the torque I need for the street and
>>top end pulls like wild horses. With the big intercooler up front
>>there's no need to keep filling a damn water/alcohol bottle, run race
>>fuel or pull timing too much.
>>
>>--
>>Tropic Green Y2k GT Coupe
>>http://tinyurl.com/avta4
>
>
>


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ZombyWoof wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:36:41 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> > wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>With the new generation of Kenne Bell blowers for the 4.6L Mustangs you
>>can have massive low-end torque and great peak hp numbers. Best of both
>>worlds short of twin turbos.
>>
>
> Yeah if gas was .50 cents a gallon again. Right now if I want to beat
> just about anybody in the 1760 dash I'll do it via motorcycle and do
> it cheaply as well. If gas goes any higher it will be time to go
> Prius shopping.

I work out of the basement of our house. My morning and evening commute
burns about 10 calories. My major fuel expense is for coffee.

Ok, Torque. Granted. However, if you have a V8 that is already hard to
keep hooked up in 1st, it seems better to put the power where you are
(can) use it. What's the point of having that much torque if you have
to start from the line is 2nd?

I have a built 331 and I am going the centrifugal route. It has the
added caveat of not needing to punch a whole in my hood. 8)

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Johnson, PE ]
Posted At: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:42 PM
Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
Conversation: If you have your choice...
Subject: If you have your choice...


In a word.... TORQUE!!!!!! If you like the performance of a BB then a
centrifugal just won't scratch the itch.

Alias wrote:
> Ok, perhaps I missed something. Why not use a centrifugal S/C? Is it
> less reliable than a roots?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RichA ]
> Posted At: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:49 PM
> Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
> Conversation: If you have your choice...
> Subject: If you have your choice...
>
>
> What method of horsepower increase would you choose? -Supercharger.
> -Nitrous -More cubic inches -A more refined (upped compression, etc)
motor?
>
> Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to it's
> simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle is
> perhaps easier. -Rich
>

For me, the torque makes for a more enjoyable driving experience. The
centrifugal blowers make the bulk of their power in the 5,000-6,000 rpm
range. This means in third gear, for example, you will need to be north
of 90 mph to really get into the meat of the power band. With a twin
screw I can have huge power increases from idle to redline. I can be in
third gear at 2,500 rpm and roll into the throttle and accelerate
straight to redline with a rush of acceleration or maybe to the speed
limit if that is more prudent. It's the same for any gear actually. It
is truly like having a very strong running, high rpm, big block engine
under the hood.

At the track, the added low end torque will get you off the line quickly
if you set the suspension up properly and use slicks. The twin screw's
torque curve puts more area under the curve which is what wins drag
races. If you take two cars, one with a twin screw and the other with a
centrifugal, and they have near the same peak hp levels, the twin screw
will usually win if the cars are basically equal in other respects.
Also, twin screws are more efficient than centrifugals so more power
gets to the wheels. One other plus is that twin screw engines can be
set up for very high rpm air flow without loss of low end performance
because they produce full boost by 2,000 rpm and a great deal of it is
there just off idle too. This isn't so with centrifugals as they don't
produce enough low/mid range boost to overcome the loss of low/mid range
torque on an engine set up for high rpm air flow.

Centrifugals are fine if you like their power band and peaky boost
delivery. I just prefer to have a broad, flat and high torque curve of
a twin screw. BTW, on fuel injected cars you won't need to punch a hole
in your hood to strap on a twin screw blower. I have one on my '89 LX
and it still sports the stock hood.

Alias wrote:
> Ok, Torque. Granted. However, if you have a V8 that is already hard to
> keep hooked up in 1st, it seems better to put the power where you are
> (can) use it. What's the point of having that much torque if you have
> to start from the line is 2nd?
>
> I have a built 331 and I am going the centrifugal route. It has the
> added caveat of not needing to punch a whole in my hood. 8)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Johnson, PE ]
> Posted At: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:42 PM
> Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
> Conversation: If you have your choice...
> Subject: If you have your choice...
>
>
> In a word.... TORQUE!!!!!! If you like the performance of a BB then a
> centrifugal just won't scratch the itch.
>
> Alias wrote:
> > Ok, perhaps I missed something. Why not use a centrifugal S/C? Is it
> > less reliable than a roots?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RichA ]
> > Posted At: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:49 PM
> > Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
> > Conversation: If you have your choice...
> > Subject: If you have your choice...
> >
> >
> > What method of horsepower increase would you choose? -Supercharger.
> > -Nitrous -More cubic inches -A more refined (upped compression, etc)
> motor?
> >
> > Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to it's
> > simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle is
> > perhaps easier. -Rich
> >
>

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:24:42 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:

>ZombyWoof wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:36:41 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>> > wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>With the new generation of Kenne Bell blowers for the 4.6L Mustangs you
>>>can have massive low-end torque and great peak hp numbers. Best of both
>>>worlds short of twin turbos.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah if gas was .50 cents a gallon again. Right now if I want to beat
>> just about anybody in the 1760 dash I'll do it via motorcycle and do
>> it cheaply as well. If gas goes any higher it will be time to go
>> Prius shopping.
>
>I work out of the basement of our house. My morning and evening commute
>burns about 10 calories. My major fuel expense is for coffee.
>
Not a reality that many enjoy.
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:36:49 GMT, "Alias"
> wrote:

>Ok, Torque. Granted. However, if you have a V8 that is already hard to
>keep hooked up in 1st, it seems better to put the power where you are
>(can) use it. What's the point of having that much torque if you have
>to start from the line is 2nd?
>
If you have to start from the line in 2nd either you don't know what
you are doing, or you don't have the car setup properly.

>I have a built 331 and I am going the centrifugal route. It has the
>added caveat of not needing to punch a whole in my hood. 8)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Johnson, PE ]
>Posted At: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:42 PM
>Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
>Conversation: If you have your choice...
>Subject: If you have your choice...
>
>
>In a word.... TORQUE!!!!!! If you like the performance of a BB then a
>centrifugal just won't scratch the itch.
>
>Alias wrote:
>> Ok, perhaps I missed something. Why not use a centrifugal S/C? Is it
>> less reliable than a roots?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RichA ]
>> Posted At: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:49 PM
>> Posted To: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
>> Conversation: If you have your choice...
>> Subject: If you have your choice...
>>
>>
>> What method of horsepower increase would you choose? -Supercharger.
>> -Nitrous -More cubic inches -A more refined (upped compression, etc)
>motor?
>>
>> Personally, I think more cubes is the sensible path, owing to it's
>> simplicity, but then bolting on a supercharger or nox bottle is
>> perhaps easier. -Rich
>>

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