Excessive motor oil

> "HLS" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV
>>> magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to
>>> them.
>
>> "They" can mean a lot of things.. I know the local owner of the Jiffy
>> Lube franchise, andhe is an okay guy. They use standard oil and filter
>> options. Nothing wrong there. He is not a scam type of person.....
>
> I believe it was ABC that did it and it was national in scope. They had
> the cars inspected before taking them in to Jiffy Lube. They found two
> things, the first being the HARD SELL on things the cars didn't need, AND
> in some cases deliberate sabotage of the cars. Like in some companies yopu
> can find a few crooks. In Jiffy Lube I am sure you can find some decent
> people. You will never get ME within 500 feet of one.
>
>
>> But if they hire a "goober" and dont try to educate him to change oil and
>> filter, then you
>> will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil and
>> filter.

I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the
Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change.


Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well meaning
mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to FRY
the complete system.

On 3/20/09 1:49 PM, in article ,
"krp" > wrote:

>> "HLS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>> As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV
>>>> magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to
>>>> them.
>>
>>> "They" can mean a lot of things.. I know the local owner of the Jiffy
>>> Lube franchise, andhe is an okay guy. They use standard oil and filter
>>> options. Nothing wrong there. He is not a scam type of person.....
>>
>> I believe it was ABC that did it and it was national in scope. They had
>> the cars inspected before taking them in to Jiffy Lube. They found two
>> things, the first being the HARD SELL on things the cars didn't need, AND
>> in some cases deliberate sabotage of the cars. Like in some companies yopu
>> can find a few crooks. In Jiffy Lube I am sure you can find some decent
>> people. You will never get ME within 500 feet of one.
>>
>>
>>> But if they hire a "goober" and dont try to educate him to change oil and
>>> filter, then you
>>> will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil and
>>> filter.
>
> I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the
> Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change.
>
>
> Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
> amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well meaning
> mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to FRY
> the complete system.
>
>
Sorry. That's just silly. The instructions on resetting the oil change
warning are in your owner's manual. Do it yourself before you take it in &
tell them not to mess with it.

Of all the places I've had do oil changes in the past few years, the local
Honda dealer has been the sloppiest and least competent. The (new) car came
with three free oil changes. They didn't reset the maintenance monitor two
of the three times and the car dripped oil on my garage floor for a week
after every time. When I looked, the lower control arm was covered with oil
from the filter change that they obviously didn't bother to wipe off.
Unless its free, I always do it myself & guess what - no oil on the floor
and no problems with the maintenance monitor.

"krp" > wrote in message
...

> Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
> amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well meaning
> mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to
> FRY the complete system.

If I am near a Toyota dealership, I will let them do the scheduled
maintenance, to be
sure there is a paper trail for the warranty. And they have not been
excessive in price,
BUT I had them leave the drain plug loose on our Avalon on one occasion.

On the Avalon, the filter (in this case a Napa gold) costs me $7.50 and 6.4
quarts of oil costs
about $18-20. I use Valvoline or Castrol 5-w30, as specified. So, my oil
change costs me just
under $30. And I know that it is filled correctly, that the filter is
installed correctly, and that
the drain plug is tightened.

To reset the oil change function is very simple on this car.

I dont do this to save money. I do it so that I am sure that I get what I
want and that it is
done properly.

The last tire rotation, I did by hand with a floor jack, stands, and a
torque wrench.

There will come a day when I am too old to do this. But not yet. .(67 years
old now)

"E. Meyer" > wrote in message
...

>>>>> As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV
>>>>> magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to
>>>>> them.
>>>
>>>> "They" can mean a lot of things.. I know the local owner of the Jiffy
>>>> Lube franchise, andhe is an okay guy. They use standard oil and filter
>>>> options. Nothing wrong there. He is not a scam type of person.....
>>>
>>> I believe it was ABC that did it and it was national in scope. They
>>> had
>>> the cars inspected before taking them in to Jiffy Lube. They found two
>>> things, the first being the HARD SELL on things the cars didn't need,
>>> AND
>>> in some cases deliberate sabotage of the cars. Like in some companies
>>> yopu
>>> can find a few crooks. In Jiffy Lube I am sure you can find some decent
>>> people. You will never get ME within 500 feet of one.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But if they hire a "goober" and dont try to educate him to change oil
>>>> and
>>>> filter, then you
>>>> will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil
>>>> and
>>>> filter.
>>
>> I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the
>> Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change.

>> Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
>> amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well
>> meaning
>> mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to
>> FRY
>> the complete system.

> Sorry. That's just silly. The instructions on resetting the oil change
> warning are in your owner's manual. Do it yourself before you take it in
> &
> tell them not to mess with it.

Arrrggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! So you ASS/U/ME that the
mechanics will read the book? It has been a very long time since I screwed
with my own cars mechanicaly. When I was in my 20's and racing I'd spend
load of time under a car. Today I pay somebody else, who has the facilities
to dump the oil in an environmentally proper way.

> Of all the places I've had do oil changes in the past few years, the local
> Honda dealer has been the sloppiest and least competent. The (new) car
> came
> with three free oil changes. They didn't reset the maintenance monitor
> two
> of the three times and the car dripped oil on my garage floor for a week
> after every time. When I looked, the lower control arm was covered with
> oil
> from the filter change that they obviously didn't bother to wipe off.
> Unless its free, I always do it myself & guess what - no oil on the floor
> and no problems with the maintenance monitor.


I'd find a different Honda dealer. There are two within a few minutes
drive of me. Both offer excellent service. What year Honda do you have?

"HLS" > wrote in message
news
>> Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
>> amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well
>> meaning mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been
>> known to FRY the complete system.

> If I am near a Toyota dealership, I will let them do the scheduled
> maintenance, to be
> sure there is a paper trail for the warranty. And they have not been
> excessive in price,
> BUT I had them leave the drain plug loose on our Avalon on one occasion.

Ditto. Lat time I had my oil changed, my Honda dealer charged me $7.
I brought the oil and filter. They also checked everything.

> On the Avalon, the filter (in this case a Napa gold) costs me $7.50 and
> 6.4 quarts of oil costs about $18-20. I use Valvoline or Castrol 5-w30,
> as specified. So, my oil change costs me just under $30. And I know
> that it is filled correctly, that the filter is installed correctly, and
> that the drain plug is tightened.

I am using the Castrol Edge. It's a bit pricey. Like $9 a quart. My CR-V
takes, as I recall 4.5 quarts.


> To reset the oil change function is very simple on this car.

It is on the Honda too. But my wife had an oil change on the road with
her Civic. She stopped at an oil change store. They had the sensors so
TOTALLY screwed up she had to find a Honda dealer to straighten it all out.


> I dont do this to save money. I do it so that I am sure that I get what I
> want and that it is
> done properly.

If the dealer screws up Honda fixes it.

> The last tire rotation, I did by hand with a floor jack, stands, and a
> torque wrench.

I had gthe dealer do that. PAPER TRAIL.


> There will come a day when I am too old to do this. But not yet. .(67
> years old now)

My time is worth more than the dealer charges. Did the oil change tire
rotation and 4 wheel alignment (by appointment) and was out in an hour.

"krp" > wrote in message
...

> I'd find a different Honda dealer. There are two within a few minutes
> drive of me. Both offer excellent service. What year Honda do you have?
>
>

The point is that an independent shop can, and normally does, do a better
job
at a better price than the Honda stealership.

For every ****ty job I have had at an independent shop, I have had much
worse
at a dealership.

Do what you want, but the recommendation to go to a dealer, as if it were a
cure all, is simply BS.

"HLS" > wrote in
:

>
> "krp" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I'd find a different Honda dealer. There are two within a few
>> minutes
>> drive of me. Both offer excellent service. What year Honda do you
>> have?
>>
>>
>
> The point is that an independent shop can, and normally does, do a
> better job at a better price than the Honda stealership.
>
> For every ****ty job I have had at an independent shop, I have had
> much worse at a dealership.




My experience has been somewhat more nuanced.

I have suffered equally badly from ineptitude by both a Toyota dealership
and an "import-specialist" independent.

Oddly, that same independent both rescued me from the dealership's
ineptitude and committed their own episode of ineptitude soon afterwards
(same car, different episode). Needless to say, I now patronize neither of
them.



>
> Do what you want, but the recommendation to go to a dealer, as if it
> were a cure all, is simply BS.
>
>


Unfortunately, 'tis true. Idiots populate all manner of auto repair
outlets. Automaker/government certification is no guarantee of competence.

Maybe I am myself incompetent to identify good mechanics, I don't know. I
do have available an absolute wizard of a man who knows exactly what he is
doing. I've been going to him for 25 years. But he's now 50 miles away. I
drive that that 50 miles when it's absolutely necessary. After numerous
very bad experiences elsewhere, what else can I do? Besides DIY, that is...



--
Tegger

"HLS" > wrote in message
...

>> I'd find a different Honda dealer. There are two within a few minutes
>> drive of me. Both offer excellent service. What year Honda do you have?

> The point is that an independent shop can, and normally does, do a better
> job
> at a better price than the Honda stealership.

> For every ****ty job I have had at an independent shop, I have had much
> worse
> at a dealership.

> Do what you want, but the recommendation to go to a dealer, as if it were
> a
> cure all, is simply BS.

In your opinion. My experience is different. With ONE exception. My wife
took her Civic on a trip to visit friends from church in Idaho. She took it
to a SMALL Honda dealer there. They did a terrible job. It was a TINY
dealership. The Honda dealerships here are big and modern. If you are in a
less populated area maybe a company owned Tire Store would be good. But if
*I* lives in East Blowhole, Idaho? I'd have a Chevy pickup, knowing that
GOMER would most likely know how to fix it. I'd not want to own a car that
is the only one they have ever seen.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "krp" > wrote:
>
>> I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the
>> Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change.
>>
>>
>> Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right
>> amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well
>> meaning
>> mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to
>> FRY
>> the complete system.

> Yer a super-paranoid moron.

Thank you for sharing that with us. It RFEALLY helps the conversation
and elevates it to a great intellectual level.

> Resetting the maintenance minder on a Honda couldn't be easier, and has
> nothing to do with FRYING the complete system. That you think so, shows
> how little you know.

Do you think that on new model Honda the computer that tracks oil life
exists in a vacuum?

"Tegger" > wrote in message
...
> "HLS" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "krp" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I'd find a different Honda dealer. There are two within a few
>>> minutes
>>> drive of me. Both offer excellent service. What year Honda do you
>>> have?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The point is that an independent shop can, and normally does, do a
>> better job at a better price than the Honda stealership.
>>
>> For every ****ty job I have had at an independent shop, I have had
>> much worse at a dealership.
>
>
>
>
> My experience has been somewhat more nuanced.
>
> I have suffered equally badly from ineptitude by both a Toyota dealership
> and an "import-specialist" independent.
>
> Oddly, that same independent both rescued me from the dealership's
> ineptitude and committed their own episode of ineptitude soon afterwards
> (same car, different episode). Needless to say, I now patronize neither of
> them.
>
>
>
>>
>> Do what you want, but the recommendation to go to a dealer, as if it
>> were a cure all, is simply BS.
>>
>>
>
>
> Unfortunately, 'tis true. Idiots populate all manner of auto repair
> outlets. Automaker/government certification is no guarantee of competence.

We all are in the pickle of "you pays yer money and you takes yer
chances." I never said Dealers were perfect. The issue for me is that IF
the dealer screws up the car - I have the manufacturer by the balls. If I go
to "Smitty's Garage" and SMITTY or his Mechanic GOMER screws up my car, what
am I left with? Smitty may or may not be ABLE to fix what they screwed up.
The car manufacturer will likely VOID the warranty. Smitty may also tell me
to POUND SAND.

I had a mechanic at a Pontiac garage leave a wrench inside the engine.
The engine lunched when THEY tried to start it. Pontiac gave me a new
engine. (Longblock) (1972) The original problem had them remove the intake
manifold and valley cover. It was a LONG story. But I had the fallback with
Pontiac. BTW, for another fact, Pontiac had the car towed to a different
dealership who found the wrench.
Dealer # 1 tried to blame me. Dealer #2 showed the Pontiac rep, who got the
engine and billed dealer # 1. The car was out of service for 30 days.
Pontiac also have me a loaner. A "zone car."