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Old October 5th 08, 01:35 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Brent P[_1_]
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Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.

http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834

"According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
and parked.

Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
the documents state.

Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
5-year-old child, who were nearby.

Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."


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Old October 5th 08, 05:12 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
necromancer[_4_]
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:35:22 -0500, Brent P
> wrote:

>
>Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
>you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.
>
>http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834
>
>"According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
>looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
>they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
>could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
>and parked.
>
>Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
>York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
>the documents state.
>
>Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
>5-year-old child, who were nearby.
>
>Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
>could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
>ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."
>



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Old October 5th 08, 08:27 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Alexander Rogge
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> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.


Maybe it's because the idiots that are trying to force you to believe
that you're the problem are used to these "grade school" rules and never
learned otherwise.

> http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834
>
> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
> and parked.
>
> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
> the documents state.
>
> Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
> 5-year-old child, who were nearby.


I really dislike the drivers that wait in the middle of the aisle for
somebody to pull out of a parking space.

I had such a driver last week that saw me getting into the car and
blocked me from leaving. There were other available parking spaces, but
she wanted the closest one to the store. These MFFYs block other
traffic too, which can be a hazard if I can't see another driver going
around the MFFY because of the oversized SUV that's parked next to me.
  #4  
Old October 5th 08, 09:09 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
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"Brent P" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.
>
> http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834
>
> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
> and parked.
>

I happen to have a different viewpoint of this reported incident and court
settlement...

That someone else gets into a parking space first happens in many crowded
places, including shopping malls and beach area parking lots. It sucks, and
is very inconsiderate, but parking is always about the one who can get into
the spot first. That said, I would also agree that courtesy should be used,
but technically it's not required by law (i.e., there is no vehicle code
that I can find that requires yielding general/non-reserved/non-restricted
parking spaces).

(So if someone passed me while I was waiting for a parking spot and pulled
in first, I would certainly have a very low opinion of them but then again
if someone is that inconsiderate, it's probably also not a good idea to
provoke them with angry speech or profanity. If they came in the other
direction and pulled in first, then it's somewhat debatable whether or not
they cut me off or if I was just too slow in pulling into the spot. If they
cut me off as I was in the motion of actually pulling into the parking lot,
then that's more than just being inconsiderate and borders on reckless
driving. A good long honk of the horn might be called for, but again if they
are that dangerous in their driving then it's probably also not a good idea
to provoke them with angry speech or profanity.)

> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
> the documents state.
>

Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless
and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response.

> Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
> 5-year-old child, who were nearby.
>
> Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
> could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
> ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."
>
>

If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)

That means the settlement probably came down to the police officer's arrest
technique, as in had the police officer not used a technique that was
contrary to his training, it's likely that the city would have not had to
settle at all.


  #5  
Old October 6th 08, 02:18 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Brent P[_1_]
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On 2008-10-05, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:

> (So if someone passed me while I was waiting for a parking spot and pulled
> in first, I would certainly have a very low opinion of them but then again
> if someone is that inconsiderate, it's probably also not a good idea to
> provoke them with angry speech or profanity.


That's just let them do it in a nutshell. Be affraid, be scared, don't
'provoke' people by reacting. Which is bizarre, because one doesn't
provoke with a reaction.

> driving. A good long honk of the horn might be called for, but again if they
> are that dangerous in their driving then it's probably also not a good idea
> to provoke them with angry speech or profanity.)


The key to just let them do it is being affraid of other people. This
only enables those who are aggressive. Under this rule, why not cut off
other people? Why not be a total and complete aggressive arsehole?
Afterall what you're arguing here is to back down and never even voice
disapproval out of fear. It's writing a blank check to the aggressive.
It just creates a sense of entitlement. Then it's monkey see, monkey do,
as people see what behaviors are being rewarded.

> Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless
> and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
> some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response.


To me this sounds like gun control 'logic' applied to speach.

> If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
> space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
> well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
> apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
> didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)


Just lick the boots of the guy in the government issued costume? Cops
are not our masters and it's not 'stupid' to argue with them, one just
has to understand what they really are.

> That means the settlement probably came down to the police officer's arrest
> technique, as in had the police officer not used a technique that was
> contrary to his training, it's likely that the city would have not had to
> settle at all.


Cities make all sorts of absurd behaviors policies as if that makes it
okay.


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Old October 6th 08, 04:13 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Harry K
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On Oct 5, 1:48*pm, Ashton Crusher > wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:09:17 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >"Brent P" > wrote in message
> ...

>
> >> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
> >> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.

>
> >>http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834

>
> >> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
> >> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
> >> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
> >> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
> >> and parked.

>
> >I happen to have a different viewpoint of this reported incident and court
> >settlement...

>
> >That someone else gets into a parking space first happens in many crowded
> >places, including shopping malls and beach area parking lots. It sucks, and
> >is very inconsiderate, but parking is always about the one who can get into
> >the spot first. That said, I would also agree that courtesy should be used,
> >but technically it's not required by law (i.e., there is no vehicle code
> >that I can find that requires yielding general/non-reserved/non-restricted
> >parking spaces).

>
> >(So if someone passed me while I was waiting for a parking spot and pulled
> >in first, I would certainly have a very low opinion of them but then again
> >if someone is that inconsiderate, it's probably also not a good idea to
> >provoke them with angry speech or profanity. If they came in the other
> >direction and pulled in first, then it's somewhat debatable whether or not
> >they cut me off or if I was just too slow in pulling into the spot. If they
> >cut me off as I was in the motion of actually pulling into the parking lot,
> >then that's more than just being inconsiderate and borders on reckless
> >driving. A good long honk of the horn might be called for, but again if they
> >are that dangerous in their driving then it's probably also not a good idea
> >to provoke them with angry speech or profanity.)

>
> >> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
> >> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
> >> the documents state.

>
> >Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless
> >and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
> >some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response.

>
> >> Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
> >> 5-year-old child, who were nearby.

>
> >> Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
> >> could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
> >> ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."

>
> >If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
> >space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
> >well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
> >apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
> >didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)

>
> >That means the settlement probably came down to the police officer's arrest
> >technique, as in had the police officer not used a technique that was
> >contrary to his training, it's likely that the city would have not had to
> >settle at all.

>
> I agree with you on the last part but only because we have become a
> police state. *There is ZERO basis for the cops to have even stuck
> their nose in this whole incident. *In fact, it appears there was NO
> incident until the cops decided they couldn't just mind their own
> business but simply had to throw their authority around. *It's too bad
> that some people may have heard the word "bitch" but that's what
> happens in a free society. *If you want to talk "how stupid is that"
> you need to direct the comment to the cops who took what was a
> situation that was OVER and turned it into a quarter million dollar
> expense for the city. *In a free society there should be no fear to
> telling a cop he's an ass when he's an ass. *I'm sure you are a nice
> guy but the attitude you display (drop trow and bend over on command
> of a cop) is why this country is on a downhill slide. *If you read
> between the lines on this you can tell that the city could care less
> about the cops behavior and rather then condemn his actions, as should
> have happened, the pass it off as a "non-standard" arrest technique.
> NON-Standard??? *How about ILLEGAL!! *What teh cop did is plain
> assault and he should have been arrested and convicted of it. *if you
> or I did the same thing that's what would have happened to us. *But as
> always, the cops are given a pass for their illegal behavior. *The
> only way to stop it is to sue the *******s, something most people have
> neither the time nor money to do.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I happen to agree that that is what _should_ be. Reality though is
that you will rarely win an argument with a cop. Pushing it will
usually result in a trip to the grey bar hotel. Thus one must decide
just how far one wants to stick up for principles in view of the high
cost and probability of losing.

Harry K
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Old October 6th 08, 05:41 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Brent P[_1_]
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On 2008-10-06, Harry K > wrote:

> I happen to agree that that is what _should_ be. Reality though is
> that you will rarely win an argument with a cop. Pushing it will
> usually result in a trip to the grey bar hotel. Thus one must decide
> just how far one wants to stick up for principles in view of the high
> cost and probability of losing.


There is something to be said for learning *how* to argue with cops. The
problem is it takes practice and understanding.

The biggest problem is cops have one tool, a hammer, so all problems to
them look like nails.


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Old October 6th 08, 07:33 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
adventuremyk
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:41:57 -0500, Brent P
> wrote:

>On 2008-10-06, Harry K > wrote:
>
>> I happen to agree that that is what _should_ be. Reality though is
>> that you will rarely win an argument with a cop. Pushing it will
>> usually result in a trip to the grey bar hotel. Thus one must decide
>> just how far one wants to stick up for principles in view of the high
>> cost and probability of losing.

>
>There is something to be said for learning *how* to argue with cops. The
>problem is it takes practice and understanding.
>
>The biggest problem is cops have one tool, a hammer, so all problems to
>them look like nails.
>


Unfortunately, the judges like to believe the cops even though they
know they are purgering themsleves much of the time. Secondly, they
like to throw around the phrase Contempt of Court. I'm waiting to hold
a judge in contempt of common sense...

In many incidents, I *have* argued with a cop and walked away from it,
generally with an apology. Having a solid foundation for the argument
and being plainly in the right has made all the world of difference
for me.

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Old October 6th 08, 08:32 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
Brent P[_1_]
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On 2008-10-06, adventuremyk <adventuremyk> wrote:

> Unfortunately, the judges like to believe the cops even though they
> know they are purgering themsleves much of the time.


Look at where the judges' paychecks come from. Either the judge works
for the same government as the cop or the judge feeds off the same
incoming revenue stream as the cop. In either case the judge's interests
as he sees them are the same as the cop's.

> In many incidents, I *have* argued with a cop and walked away from it,
> generally with an apology. Having a solid foundation for the argument
> and being plainly in the right has made all the world of difference
> for me.


Yep. You have to know the law and right and wrong an order of magnitude
above the cop.


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Old October 6th 08, 11:20 PM posted to rec.autos.driving
Matthew Russotto
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In article >,
Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
>"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
>> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.
>>
>> http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834
>>
>> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
>> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
>> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
>> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
>> and parked.
>>

>I happen to have a different viewpoint of this reported incident and court
>settlement...
>
>That someone else gets into a parking space first happens in many crowded
>places, including shopping malls and beach area parking lots. It sucks, and
>is very inconsiderate, but parking is always about the one who can get into
>the spot first. That said, I would also agree that courtesy should be used,
>but technically it's not required by law (i.e., there is no vehicle code
>that I can find that requires yielding general/non-reserved/non-restricted
>parking spaces).
>

[...]
>
>> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
>> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
>> the documents state.
>>

>Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless


No, "bitch" is not profanity.

>and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
>some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response.


The taking of the spot by the bitch was the first move, so if you're
going to play "but fors", you have to start earlier than the verbal response.

>If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
>space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
>well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
>apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
>didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)


You don't have to just smile and say "yes master, I'm sorry master";
that's not required by law. It's imprudent to do otherwise only
because cops are out of control.
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