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In article >, "J." > wrote:
> See his FIRST post in alt.autos.honda (Jul 29 or 30, I think) and then all > the responses about the well executed recycling that IS being done on > electric/hybrid batteries! > > > "Elle" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > Can you provide a summary of the articles' main points? > > > > "Jason" > wrote > >> The current edition of "Car and Driver" (magazine) has an > >> interesting article about the dark side of the hybrids on page 26. > >> The date on the cover is September 2005. > >> > >> If you own a hybrid vehicle or plan to buy a hybrid vehicle, > >> I advise you to buy a copy of the magazine and read the article. > > > > > > Great point. I did not mean to start a thread about batteries but I did. My goal was to make the subscribers aware of the article. That's why I reposted and left out the comment about batteries. I like Hybrid vehicles--especially the new Accord Hybrid but the cost of it is too much for me to pay. I was not aware of the dark side of hybrid vehicles until I read the article. Jason -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
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jim beam wrote:
> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe. It's being tried. Check out the Honda FCX. http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/ Not sure Q should use these for 007, though... ;-)) |
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Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe. > > > It's being tried. Check out the Honda FCX. > http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/ > > Not sure Q should use these for 007, though... ;-)) but abe, have you ever seen a scuba tank explode? those things have way less pressure than that necessary to store even a trivial quantity of hydrogen. gasoline fuel cell, absolutely. hydrogen fuel cell? no chance. read some of the archives for sci.materials. oh, and capacitors don't have anywhere near the storage capacity of batteries. it really amazes me the political lengths car companies have to go to to placate the many manifestations of technological ignorance. or the shameless idiots that exploit that ignorance by begging research funds for what they know to be fundamentally flawed. |
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jim beam > wrote:
> hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe. Didn't some people once said that about the gasoline engine too? There actually more hydrogen fuel stations (9) than consumer hydrogen car (1). |
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> wrote:
> I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of traffic - > no power and creating massive backups. The industry will eventually go > to hydrogen systems, but never electric. The hybrid is not true electric, thus the word "hybrid". |
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Bebop wrote:
> > wrote: > >> I would stay away from hybrids. Saw one die in the middle of >> traffic - no power and creating massive backups. The industry will >> eventually go to hydrogen systems, but never electric. > > The hybrid is not true electric, thus the word "hybrid". Actually, they're true gasoline since that's their *only* power source. "Hybrid" is a spin that gets people to purchase something they otherwise wouldn't. |
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Bebop wrote:
> jim beam > wrote: > > >>hydrogen? no. logistics prohibitive. wildly unsafe. > > > > Didn't some people once said that about the gasoline engine too? i'm not referring to the engine [although that has fundamental problems too] - i'm referring to hydrogen storage & transportation. > > There actually more hydrogen fuel stations (9) than consumer hydrogen > car (1). |
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jim beam wrote:
> but abe, have you ever seen a scuba tank explode? Nope. > gasoline fuel cell, absolutely. hydrogen fuel cell? no chance. All I said was it's being tried, jim. The RAND Corporation thought in 1954 that home computers of 2004 would fit within a single room. I don't have the source of the picture/caption I have (probably from something like Popular Science), but the sucker is complete with a large steering wheel (yes, a steering wheel), lots of analog gauges covering a whole wall (yes, gauges!), and a maybe 18" teletype tractor feed printer. It's also got a large TV mounted high on a wall. With the Fortran language, it was expected to be easy to use. Hah hah. Point is that we don't get anywhere unless we try stuff, however far-fetched and unworkable it may seem to some. Fact is that Honda is trying the fuel cell in consumer vehicles. Whether it will ultimately be safe enough for mass use, I dunno, but they're trying it with hydrogen and I'll be interested to see where it goes. I don't think that the project would have gotten as far as it has if the safety issues were insurmountable. |
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Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote: > >> but abe, have you ever seen a scuba tank explode? > > > Nope. > >> gasoline fuel cell, absolutely. hydrogen fuel cell? no chance. > > > All I said was it's being tried, jim. The RAND Corporation thought in > 1954 that home computers of 2004 would fit within a single room. I don't > have the source of the picture/caption I have (probably from something > like Popular Science), but the sucker is complete with a large steering > wheel (yes, a steering wheel), lots of analog gauges covering a whole > wall (yes, gauges!), and a maybe 18" teletype tractor feed printer. It's > also got a large TV mounted high on a wall. With the Fortran language, > it was expected to be easy to use. Hah hah. > > Point is that we don't get anywhere unless we try stuff, however > far-fetched and unworkable it may seem to some. Fact is that Honda is > trying the fuel cell in consumer vehicles. Whether it will ultimately be > safe enough for mass use, I dunno, but they're trying it with hydrogen > and I'll be interested to see where it goes. I don't think that the > project would have gotten as far as it has if the safety issues were > insurmountable. /please/ read sci.materials abe. pretty please? |
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