A little help please? - 1956 Pontiac - Gallipolis Show.jpg

You are likely aware of this site Roadsign, but it has a lot of information
available for all 50's models...

http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/

"Roadsign" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:52:27 -0700, "Max Magister"
> > wrote:
>
>>There were two Chieftain series in 1956, the Chieftain 870 Deluxe and the
>>Chieftain 860 Special. From the look of the trim on this one it's the
>>better one of the two, the Chieftain 870 Deluxe Catalina Coupe.
>>
>>max
>>
> Thanks Max. How many times can I rename this file! ;-) I can't locate
> a sheet I had that listed all the Pontiac models from that era. It is
> no doubt right where I filed it. One picture sure generated a lot of
> interest and changes in here. I appreciate the assist.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:19:13 -0400, "Vint@ge" > wrote:

>You are likely aware of this site Roadsign, but it has a lot of information
>available for all 50's models...
>
>http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/
>
No Fred I wasn't! I am now! Many thanks. Nice web site they have
there. There is a Pontiac Club around my area but the nearest chapter
is about 50 miles north of me in Dayton, OH. I still may check it out
and see what kind of group it is.

Thanks for the web site. I appreciate it very much.

Tony

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:19:13 -0400, "Vint@ge" > wrote:

>You are likely aware of this site Roadsign, but it has a lot of information
>available for all 50's models...
>
>http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/
>
This appears to be the same club I spoke of just a moment ago. POCI is
an International Club. Dayton isn't that far... I am going to cjeck
this out further. Again, thank you..
>

I do believe that is upside down...lol!

TS )
"Roadsign" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:52:27 -0700, "Max Magister"
> > wrote:
>
>>There were two Chieftain series in 1956, the Chieftain 870 Deluxe and the
>>Chieftain 860 Special. From the look of the trim on this one it's the
>>better one of the two, the Chieftain 870 Deluxe Catalina Coupe.
>>
>>max
>>
> I knew it! Right where I filed it! Had a hard copy somewhere but
> realized I had gotten it off the web somehwere. So that meant there
> had to be an electronic copy! Duh. Here 'tis. And just as Max said,
> there is the 860 and 870.
>
> Tony
>
>

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:54:08 -0400, Roadsign
> wrote:

>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:19:13 -0400, "Vint@ge" > wrote:
>
>>You are likely aware of this site Roadsign, but it has a lot of information
>>available for all 50's models...
>>
>>http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/
>>
>This appears to be the same club I spoke of just a moment ago. POCI is
>an International Club. Dayton isn't that far... I am going to cjeck
>this out further. Again, thank you..
>>
Oh my, before the wrath of the spell checker befalls me, make that "I
am going to check this out further". ;-)

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:54:06 -0500, "ThomasS2" > wrote:

>I do believe that is upside down...lol!
>
>TS )
Are you north or south of the equator? 8-0=

RS

By the way, RS, when you find yourself in Dayton and you happen to have a
camera in your hands, how about some photos of the Miami Valley
trolleybuses? There are only a few trolley systems left in the US and only
two in Canada and electric transit is another one of my interests. The old
Pullmans in Dayton were a little more interesting than the newer buses (I
think that Dayton bought Skoda trolleys, didn't they?) but I'd be delighted
to see a few original photos if you can swing it....

max

"Roadsign" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:19:13 -0400, "Vint@ge" > wrote:
>
>>You are likely aware of this site Roadsign, but it has a lot of
>>information
>>available for all 50's models...
>>
>>http://members.tripod.com/starchief57/
>>
> This appears to be the same club I spoke of just a moment ago. POCI is
> an International Club. Dayton isn't that far... I am going to cjeck
> this out further. Again, thank you..
>>

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:43:16 -0700, "Max Magister"
> wrote:

>By the way, RS, when you find yourself in Dayton and you happen to have a
>camera in your hands, how about some photos of the Miami Valley
>trolleybuses? There are only a few trolley systems left in the US and only
>two in Canada and electric transit is another one of my interests. The old
>Pullmans in Dayton were a little more interesting than the newer buses (I
>think that Dayton bought Skoda trolleys, didn't they?) but I'd be delighted
>to see a few original photos if you can swing it....
>
>max
>

I'll check that out Max. I used to work out of the company office in
Dayton but rarely got to the downtown area. Seems I do remember some
of the trolley buses still running there. (Not sure of the make or
model) We used to have them here in Cincinnati as well but it has been
years.

When I posted the "Glendale Car Show" pics there was a GM Coach in
those pictures. It was owned by a group of ex-bus company employees.
They also have a trolley but are still in the process of rebuilding
it. He did tell me those things ran on 600 VDC. Wow! Must have been a
very low current operation.

I'll look into it.

Tony

That would be great. The standard voltage for North American trolleys and
streetcars was 600 volts DC so that is also used in Dayton, I suspect. Some
systems raised their voltage to 750 volts to accommodate the reintroduction
of streetcars and light rail systems but I don't think anyone has gone to AC
or high voltages for overhead in urban areas. By the way, when Cincinnati
still had its streetcars they were unique in North America in having two
trolley poles side by side instead of the usual single pole. And instead of
a single wire above the tracks there were two. That made it very easy to
replace them with trolleybuses since the old overhead could be retained
without the need to string an additional wire.

Max

"Roadsign" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:43:16 -0700, "Max Magister"
> > wrote:
>
>>By the way, RS, when you find yourself in Dayton and you happen to have a
>>camera in your hands, how about some photos of the Miami Valley
>>trolleybuses? There are only a few trolley systems left in the US and
>>only
>>two in Canada and electric transit is another one of my interests. The
>>old
>>Pullmans in Dayton were a little more interesting than the newer buses (I
>>think that Dayton bought Skoda trolleys, didn't they?) but I'd be
>>delighted
>>to see a few original photos if you can swing it....
>>
>>max
>>
>
> I'll check that out Max. I used to work out of the company office in
> Dayton but rarely got to the downtown area. Seems I do remember some
> of the trolley buses still running there. (Not sure of the make or
> model) We used to have them here in Cincinnati as well but it has been
> years.
>
> When I posted the "Glendale Car Show" pics there was a GM Coach in
> those pictures. It was owned by a group of ex-bus company employees.
> They also have a trolley but are still in the process of rebuilding
> it. He did tell me those things ran on 600 VDC. Wow! Must have been a
> very low current operation.
>
> I'll look into it.
>
> Tony

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:02:25 -0700, "Max Magister"
> wrote:

>
>That would be great. The standard voltage for North American trolleys and
>streetcars was 600 volts DC so that is also used in Dayton, I suspect. Some
>systems raised their voltage to 750 volts to accommodate the reintroduction
>of streetcars and light rail systems but I don't think anyone has gone to AC
>or high voltages for overhead in urban areas. By the way, when Cincinnati
>still had its streetcars they were unique in North America in having two
>trolley poles side by side instead of the usual single pole. And instead of
>a single wire above the tracks there were two. That made it very easy to
>replace them with trolleybuses since the old overhead could be retained
>without the need to string an additional wire.
>
>Max
>
I remember riding on the Cincinnati system as a kid. The #4 route went
from my area of town to the downtown Cincinnati area. (It still makes
that same run although they are now deisel buses of course) The #4
went up Gilbert Avenue and made a hard left at the top. It seemed the
odds were about 90-10 that the trolleys would come off the overhead
lines at that corner. The driver would stop (gee, really?), get out a
huge set of gloves and go outside to replace the trolleys. I can
remember every once in a while a driver would make that turn and the
rider's would applaud him on the accomplishment. I can also remember
when the trolleys DID come off the passengers would all just sit there
and wait for them to be replaced. No screaming or complaining. Some of
them even talked to each other. Boy that was a strange world.

There may even be a museum of some type right here in my hometown with
some of those trolleys in it. I'll add that to my list of things to do
too.

Thanks for the idea! Should be fun.

Tony