UAW forced to be paid as a Southern Foreign factory worker.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:41:56 -0500, Rock Hardson wrote:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>
> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to
> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard
> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures
> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will
> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its
> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a
> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
> money???

I had a good job with a *BIG* corporation (at the time #3 in the Fortune
500). It became very apparent there was going to be a layoff.

I was *NOT* a good union member. We were coming up to contract
negotiations, and there was word of a strike. Screw that. I was reading
the WSJ every day and aircraft orders were waning.

A real union dog came up and asked me what I was going to do. Cross the
line, of course! Nobody in the friggin' union signs my paycheck.

So I asked him, if it comes down to you getting $0.25 an hour more (we
were making $17 and hour in 1991, full medical, dental, pension, etc) and
watching 5 people walk out the door, what would you say?

"Gimme the quarter".

I would have taken a cut in pay, even back to $12~14 an hour. In a bad
economy, a good job at lower pay is better than *NO* job at all.

They got the quarter. We got the axe. The one good thing out of it all
was, even though the other guy had been with the company longer, he went
out the door before me.

Stupid union dogs.

If your company went belly up over $10 a week per employee, they were going
to go under no matter what the Union did. LOL




"Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:41:56 -0500, Rock Hardson wrote:
>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>>
>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>> to
>> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
>> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
>> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
>> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> standard
>> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>> manufactures
>> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
>> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
>> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
>> will
>> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
>> Its
>> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
>> a
>> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
>> money???
>
> I had a good job with a *BIG* corporation (at the time #3 in the Fortune
> 500). It became very apparent there was going to be a layoff.
>
> I was *NOT* a good union member. We were coming up to contract
> negotiations, and there was word of a strike. Screw that. I was reading
> the WSJ every day and aircraft orders were waning.
>
> A real union dog came up and asked me what I was going to do. Cross the
> line, of course! Nobody in the friggin' union signs my paycheck.
>
> So I asked him, if it comes down to you getting $0.25 an hour more (we
> were making $17 and hour in 1991, full medical, dental, pension, etc) and
> watching 5 people walk out the door, what would you say?
>
> "Gimme the quarter".
>
> I would have taken a cut in pay, even back to $12~14 an hour. In a bad
> economy, a good job at lower pay is better than *NO* job at all.
>
> They got the quarter. We got the axe. The one good thing out of it all
> was, even though the other guy had been with the company longer, he went
> out the door before me.
>
> Stupid union dogs.
>
>
>

"Mark A" > wrote in message
. ..
> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> ...
>> I don't know what countries you are talking about, but here in Canada, I
>> can choose whatever Doctor I want, I and my Doctor decide what treatment
>> I get, and the waiting times are much less then most people think they
>> are. As for you comment about age, that is pure bull ****.
>
> I can't speak about CA but in most European countries if a patient has a
> serious disease and are over a certain age, they might not spend as much
> money treating you as if you were younger (depending on what the treatment
> costs are).

Depends on the country. Some are pretty bad, some very good.

> You cannot go to "any" doctor and get free care, you can only go to
> doctors who are paid by the national health care plan.

I assume you are still speaking about European countries. As I said, in
Canada, we can choose whomever we want as our Doctor.

> That is like an HMO and why people in the US complain about it.
> A lot of Canadians come to the US and pay for healthcare out of their own
> pocket, to get the treatment they want.

Actually, the reason some Canadian's go to the US to get treatment, is it is
sometimes quicker. In the US, money gives you priority over illness.

"Mark A" > wrote in message
.. .
> If everyone was forced to buy American cars (or did so voluntarily) the
> price would increase because they would have no (or little) competition
> and the quality would start to fall off dramatically.

Why does no one seem to think this can work the other way around too? If
all Domestic automakers (GM, Ford, Chrysler) were to go under, the Japanese
companies (with no real competition) could pay there employees whatever
slave-wage they wanted, price there cars at whatever (even more) bloated
price they wanted, and wouldn't give two ****s about quality, because there
isn't competition. How would that help anyone?

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
...
> "Mark A" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I don't know what countries you are talking about, but here in Canada, I
>>> can choose whatever Doctor I want, I and my Doctor decide what treatment
>>> I get, and the waiting times are much less then most people think they
>>> are. As for you comment about age, that is pure bull ****.
>>
>> I can't speak about CA but in most European countries if a patient has
>> a serious disease and are over a certain age, they might not spend as
>> much money treating you as if you were younger (depending on what the
>> treatment costs are).
>
> Depends on the country. Some are pretty bad, some very good.
>
>> You cannot go to "any" doctor and get free care, you can only go to
>> doctors who are paid by the national health care plan.
>
> I assume you are still speaking about European countries. As I said, in
> Canada, we can choose whomever we want as our Doctor.
>
>> That is like an HMO and why people in the US complain about it.
>> A lot of Canadians come to the US and pay for healthcare out of their own
>> pocket, to get the treatment they want.
>
> Actually, the reason some Canadian's go to the US to get treatment, is it
> is sometimes quicker. In the US, money gives you priority over illness.

Ya Canada it's free but you stand a good chance of dying waiting in line.
There's always a catch isn't there?

>
>

> wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 2:51 pm, PerfectReign > wrote:
> turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>
> > Most of the people here who rant and rave about universal healthcare
> > are retired. I expect a storm of flame posts
>
> You are a completely ****ed up pig****ing social commie moron who doesn't
> give a rat's ass about the needs of children and those who can make it on
> their own.
>

Useless comment. Has no reasons, facts, data, substance. Does that
tactic work anywhere? Maybe in shot and beer bars.

So you don't want the same health care coverage that Senators and
Congressmen have?

Apples and Oranges

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:49:43 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:

> If your company went belly up over $10 a week per employee, they were going
> to go under no matter what the Union did. LOL

It was aircraft parts manufacturing. Clinton cut the military budget, so
that business went away, and thanks to the taxes Congress levied the
airline business went away...


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>
>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:41:56 -0500, Rock Hardson wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>>>
>>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>>> to
>>> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
>>> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
>>> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
>>> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>>> standard
>>> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>>> manufactures
>>> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
>>> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
>>> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
>>> will
>>> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
>>> Its
>>> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
>>> a
>>> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
>>> money???
>>
>> I had a good job with a *BIG* corporation (at the time #3 in the Fortune
>> 500). It became very apparent there was going to be a layoff.
>>
>> I was *NOT* a good union member. We were coming up to contract
>> negotiations, and there was word of a strike. Screw that. I was reading
>> the WSJ every day and aircraft orders were waning.
>>
>> A real union dog came up and asked me what I was going to do. Cross the
>> line, of course! Nobody in the friggin' union signs my paycheck.
>>
>> So I asked him, if it comes down to you getting $0.25 an hour more (we
>> were making $17 and hour in 1991, full medical, dental, pension, etc) and
>> watching 5 people walk out the door, what would you say?
>>
>> "Gimme the quarter".
>>
>> I would have taken a cut in pay, even back to $12~14 an hour. In a bad
>> economy, a good job at lower pay is better than *NO* job at all.
>>
>> They got the quarter. We got the axe. The one good thing out of it all
>> was, even though the other guy had been with the company longer, he went
>> out the door before me.
>>
>> Stupid union dogs.
>>
>>
>>

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
...
> I assume you are still speaking about European countries. As I said, in
> Canada, we can choose whomever we want as our Doctor.

No, you can only choose a doctor who is part of the Canadian government
health care plan.

"80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
...
> Why does no one seem to think this can work the other way around too? If
> all Domestic automakers (GM, Ford, Chrysler) were to go under, the
> Japanese companies (with no real competition) could pay there employees
> whatever slave-wage they wanted, price there cars at whatever (even more)
> bloated price they wanted, and wouldn't give two ****s about quality,
> because there isn't competition. How would that help anyone?

I don't think anyone thinks that. But having The US taxpayer throw money
into the bottomless pit called the US auto industry is not something that
benefits anyone but those who work in the auto industry, or those who live
in a city that where there are a lot of auto industry employees.

It would great if Intel had more competition, but I don't think the US
government should bailout AMD.

"Mark A" > wrote in message
.. .
> "80 Knight" <nospam> wrote in message
> ...
>> I assume you are still speaking about European countries. As I said, in
>> Canada, we can choose whomever we want as our Doctor.
>
> No, you can only choose a doctor who is part of the Canadian government
> health care plan.
All the doctors (other than some specialists) are part of the Medicare plan.
They have billing numbers which they submit to the gov't to get paid, like a
contractor would do.

It works..is it perfect ? No..but NO ONE gets left behind..everyone has
"chevy" coverage, not cadillac coverage, and it seems to work reasonable
well.