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Old June 6th 12, 12:33 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

Problems with windshield wipers..

With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on low
speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to stop
wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when ignition is
turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers when driving.

With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers run
on low speed.

With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on high
speed.

Mist mode works fine.

Pulling back on the wiper control lever to initiate the spray works fine.

Sound like the ICU is bad ?

Rich







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Old June 6th 12, 03:52 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

Big Brother > wrote in news:jqm523$gdp$1
@dont-email.me:

> Problems with windshield wipers..
>
> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on low
> speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to stop
> wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when ignition is
> turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers when driving.
>
> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers run
> on low speed.
>
> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on high
> speed.
>




Is this a 2-door model?



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Old June 6th 12, 09:35 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Big Brother > wrote in news:jqm523$gdp$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>
>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on low
>> speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to stop
>> wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when ignition is
>> turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers when driving.
>>
>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers run
>> on low speed.
>>
>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on high
>> speed.
>>

>
>
>
> Is this a 2-door model?
>
>
>


2-door

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Old June 7th 12, 02:01 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

Big Brother > wrote in
:

> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Big Brother > wrote in
>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>
>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>> when driving.
>>>
>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>> run on low speed.
>>>
>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>> high speed.
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>
>>
>>

>
> 2-door
>
>




There is a TSB out on this very problem.

TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is broken.
The cure is replacment of the motor.

Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used one at
a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com

If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor apart
and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.
I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.

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Old June 9th 12, 01:56 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 6/6/2012 8:01 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Big Brother > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>> Big Brother > wrote in
>>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>>> when driving.
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>>> run on low speed.
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>>> high speed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> 2-door
>>
>>

>
>
>
> There is a TSB out on this very problem.
>
> TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is broken.
> The cure is replacment of the motor.
>
> Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used one at
> a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com
>
> If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor apart
> and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.
> I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.
>



So it is the wiper motor..

Dealership wants like $350 for it. I can get it for $160 at a on-line
Honda dealership.

Would aftermarket be o.k. to use ?

Rich

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Old June 9th 12, 02:13 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
jim beam[_4_]
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 06/06/2012 06:01 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Big > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>> Big > wrote in
>>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>>> when driving.
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>>> run on low speed.
>>>>
>>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>>> high speed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> 2-door
>>
>>

>
>
>
> There is a TSB out on this very problem.
>
> TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is broken.
> The cure is replacment of the motor.


ok, but how is this relevant to whether it's a 2-door? the tsb list of
affected vehicles is for u.s.-produced, both 2 and 4 door
configurations. and i've never seen a honda where they differentiate on
componentry at that level.


>
> Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used one at
> a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com
>
> If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor apart
> and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.


reed switches can be very problematic. apart from the difficulty in
finding one the right size, their glass envelope can be disappointingly
easy to break while trying to manipulate in a retrofit situation. if
this were a vintage vehicle with no parts available and this was the
only repair option, go ahead. but frankly, it's much easier to simply
replace the motor for a few bucks from a junkyard. [depending on
whether the donor is a 2 or 4 door. not.]


> I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.
>



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Old June 9th 12, 02:17 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
jim beam[_4_]
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 06/08/2012 05:56 PM, Big Brother wrote:
> On 6/6/2012 8:01 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Big Brother > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>>> Big Brother > wrote in
>>>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>>>> when driving.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>>>> run on low speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>>>> high speed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2-door
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> There is a TSB out on this very problem.
>>
>> TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is broken.
>> The cure is replacment of the motor.
>>
>> Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used
>> one at
>> a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com
>>
>> If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor
>> apart
>> and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.
>> I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.
>>

>
>
> So it is the wiper motor..
>
> Dealership wants like $350 for it. I can get it for $160 at a on-line
> Honda dealership.
>
> Would aftermarket be o.k. to use ?
>
> Rich
>


if you can get a rebuild, sure. but personally, i'd go for the junkyard
solution. much cheaper. and you get the benefit of taking out the old
one and thus learning the assembly/disassembly procedure.

you will need to go to the dealer at some point though - there's a bunch
of clips and fasteners that you'll need to replace.

but before you do all that, why not call a dealer or two and see if
they'll replace it for free under the tsb? google the number tegger
gave you and print it out.


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Old June 9th 12, 01:22 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

Big Brother > wrote in
:

>
>
> So it is the wiper motor..
>
> Dealership wants like $350 for it. I can get it for $160 at a on-line
> Honda dealership.
>
> Would aftermarket be o.k. to use ?
>



You may be able to find a used one at
a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com


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Old June 9th 12, 03:20 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 6/8/2012 8:13 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 06:01 PM, Tegger wrote:
>> Big > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>>> Big > wrote in
>>>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>>>> when driving.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>>>> run on low speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>>>> high speed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2-door
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> There is a TSB out on this very problem.
>>
>> TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is broken.
>> The cure is replacment of the motor.

>
> ok, but how is this relevant to whether it's a 2-door? the tsb list of
> affected vehicles is for u.s.-produced, both 2 and 4 door
> configurations. and i've never seen a honda where they differentiate on
> componentry at that level.
>
>
>>
>> Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used
>> one at
>> a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com
>>
>> If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor
>> apart
>> and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.

>
> reed switches can be very problematic. apart from the difficulty in
> finding one the right size, their glass envelope can be disappointingly
> easy to break while trying to manipulate in a retrofit situation. if
> this were a vintage vehicle with no parts available and this was the
> only repair option, go ahead. but frankly, it's much easier to simply
> replace the motor for a few bucks from a junkyard. [depending on
> whether the donor is a 2 or 4 door. not.]
>
>
>> I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.
>>

>
>


I'm torn between buying it from the discount on-line Honda dealership
for about $150 or a remanufactured one.

NAPA has a remanuf for $120..for $30 more I can get a Honda OEM

Rockauto has a A-1 Cardone for $68 plus shipping and then I have to send
back the old one.

The junkyard has one for $45 but obviously that one has wear and tear on
the reed switch.

Oh well..I'll take the weekend to think about it

Do you know if the Honda one is new or remanufactured ?

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Old June 9th 12, 03:42 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
jim beam[_4_]
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Default 98 Civic Ex - Wiper Problem

On 06/09/2012 07:20 AM, Big Brother wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 8:13 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 06/06/2012 06:01 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>> Big > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/2012 9:52 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>>>> Big > wrote in
>>>>> news:jqm523$gdp$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Problems with windshield wipers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the OFF position; wipers run on
>>>>>> low speed. Will not shut off at all. Have to turn ignition off to
>>>>>> stop wipers. Wipers will stop at any point on the windshield when
>>>>>> ignition is turned off. Have to have pulled the fuse to stop wipers
>>>>>> when driving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the INTERMITTENT position; wipers
>>>>>> run on low speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the multi-function switch in the HIGH position; wipers run on
>>>>>> high speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a 2-door model?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2-door
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a TSB out on this very problem.
>>>
>>> TSB 00-031 says the park-position reed-switch inside the motor is
>>> broken.
>>> The cure is replacment of the motor.

>>
>> ok, but how is this relevant to whether it's a 2-door? the tsb list of
>> affected vehicles is for u.s.-produced, both 2 and 4 door
>> configurations. and i've never seen a honda where they differentiate on
>> componentry at that level.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Those motors are pretty pricey, new. You may be able to find a used
>>> one at
>>> a wrecking yard, or at www.car-part.com
>>>
>>> If you're feeling adventurous, you may want to try pulling the motor
>>> apart
>>> and see if you can McGyver-up some sort of DIY fix for the reed-switch.

>>
>> reed switches can be very problematic. apart from the difficulty in
>> finding one the right size, their glass envelope can be disappointingly
>> easy to break while trying to manipulate in a retrofit situation. if
>> this were a vintage vehicle with no parts available and this was the
>> only repair option, go ahead. but frankly, it's much easier to simply
>> replace the motor for a few bucks from a junkyard. [depending on
>> whether the donor is a 2 or 4 door. not.]
>>
>>
>>> I've never done this, myself, so you're on your own on that one.
>>>

>>
>>

>
> I'm torn between buying it from the discount on-line Honda dealership
> for about $150 or a remanufactured one.
>
> NAPA has a remanuf for $120..for $30 more I can get a Honda OEM
>
> Rockauto has a A-1 Cardone for $68 plus shipping and then I have to send
> back the old one.
>
> The junkyard has one for $45 but obviously that one has wear and tear on
> the reed switch.
>
> Oh well..I'll take the weekend to think about it
>
> Do you know if the Honda one is new or remanufactured ?
>


the honda unit is almost certainly new. these are generally very
reliable units so they're not commonly rebuilt for the oem like
alternators or starters. and stay away from cardone. a very long way away.

again, i don't recommend the junkyard unit simply on the basis of price,
but on experience [which i consider to be highly valuable]. assuming
it's a junkyard where you can find and pull your own, you will get the
essential practice of removing the cover as non-destructively as
possible - not something you want to do for the first time on your own
vehicle. and if the donor vehicle's vin number begins with "j", you'll
be getting a unit definitely not affected by this problem.

did you call a dealer and ask whether they'd replace it for you for free
because of the tsb?


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