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Old July 9th 07, 10:19 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Burgerman
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!

It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...

Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know how?

Thanks!

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Old July 10th 07, 08:49 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Richard
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon


"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>
> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>
> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
> how?
>
> Thanks!



In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.

A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It may
involve a program change in the computer.

Richard


  #3  
Old July 10th 07, 09:33 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Burgerman
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Burgerman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>>
>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>
>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>> how?
>>
>> Thanks!

>
>
> In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>
> A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
> may involve a program change in the computer.
>
> Richard
>


No, in a REAL original British Gallon (Imperial Gallon) there are 8 Pints, 4
Quarts or 4.54 litres.

In the US and Cannada your Quarts must be the wrong size too!

I just looked it up! Your pints are smaller as well! So your quarts must be
too...

There are 8 proper pints in a proper gallon.
But there are 9.607 of the US pints in a real gallon!
Does this mean you get less beer too?

A UK Gallon is actually 1.20095 US Gallons.

I will go to a dealer but I suspect they wont know... Its why I asked here.
Someone must have come across this before!




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Old July 10th 07, 09:38 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

At the risk of getting into semantics....

The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.

That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.

Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.

And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.

I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!

If you find out how, please let us know!

Thanks

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
wrote:

>
>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is wrong!
>>
>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>
>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be a
>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>> how?
>>
>> Thanks!

>
>
>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>
>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It may
>involve a program change in the computer.
>
>Richard
>


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Old July 10th 07, 10:57 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
General Schvantzkoph
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:

> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>
> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>
> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US Gallon
> 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>
> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>
> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>
> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell my
> on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>
> If you find out how, please let us know!
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>wrong!
>>>
>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>> So...
>>>
>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone
>>> know how?
>>>
>>> Thanks!

>>
>>
>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>
>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>may involve a program change in the computer.
>>
>>Richard
>>


The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England at
the time.

The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense in
a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the Imperial
gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub when you
order a pint of ale).

ounce = 2 tablespoons
gill = 4 ounces
cup = 8 ounces
pint = 16 ounces
quart = 32 ounces
gallon = 128 ounces

The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the other
length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong is 12 *
12 * 5 * 5 inches.
  #6  
Old July 11th 07, 12:46 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Burgerman
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

"NewMan" > wrote in message
...
> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>
> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>
> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
> Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.



But since we invented Gallons and the US only took it over (Like English) we
are right and the guys selling you short measures many years ago are
responsible for your mistake!


>
> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.



Well yes! How did that happen!

>
> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
> price increases as high as 50% -


Well the intelligent shopkepers and industry in general just took advantage
of the averagely bright canadian then. You cant blame the measurement
systems.

but almost no one noticed because of
> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>
> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
> my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!



Well me too! Thats why I started it. I find it frustrating...

>
> If you find out how, please let us know!
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>wrong!
>>>
>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54 litres.
>>> Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger. So...
>>>
>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must be
>>> a
>>> way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone know
>>> how?
>>>
>>> Thanks!

>>
>>
>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>
>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>may
>>involve a program change in the computer.
>>
>>Richard
>>

>



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Old July 11th 07, 12:48 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Burgerman
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

"General Schvantzkoph" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:
>
>> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>>
>> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
>> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>>
>> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US Gallon
>> 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>>
>> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>>
>> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
>> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
>> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
>> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
>> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>>
>> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell my
>> on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>>
>> If you find out how, please let us know!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>>wrong!
>>>>
>>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>>> So...
>>>>
>>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does anyone
>>>> know how?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5 quarts.
>>>
>>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue. It
>>>may involve a program change in the computer.
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>

>
> The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
> American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
> Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
> replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England at
> the time.
>
> The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense in
> a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the Imperial
> gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub when you
> order a pint of ale).
>
> ounce = 2 tablespoons
> gill = 4 ounces
> cup = 8 ounces
> pint = 16 ounces
> quart = 32 ounces
> gallon = 128 ounces
>
> The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
> 5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
> it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the other
> length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong is 12 *
> 12 * 5 * 5 inches.



I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
British!) Gallons!

Anyone???


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Old July 11th 07, 01:35 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
General Schvantzkoph
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:48:33 +0000, Burgerman wrote:

> "General Schvantzkoph" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:38:40 -0700, NewMan wrote:
>>
>>> At the risk of getting into semantics....
>>>
>>> The Imerial Gallon is 4 quarts also! However the Imperial Quart is 40
>>> fl. oz. - whereas the American Quart is 32 fl. oz.
>>>
>>> That makes an Imperial Gallon 160 fl. oz or 4.54 litres, and a US
>>> Gallon 128 fl. oz. or 3.78 litres.
>>>
>>> Thank GOD that a fl. oz. is the same in both systems.
>>>
>>> And living here in Canada, let me just say that at least the US was
>>> smart enough NOT to go "metric". All that was here in Canada was an
>>> excuse for retailers to rip people off - it was a smoke screeen for
>>> price increases as high as 50% - but almost no one noticed because of
>>> the changes in the measurement systems and the resulting confusion.
>>>
>>> I will keep an eye on this thread! I would LOVE to find a way to tell
>>> my on-board computer ro display in Imperial Gallons!
>>>
>>> If you find out how, please let us know!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:49:57 -0400, "Richard" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Burgerman" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>I live in England and we have the Gallon. I imported a US Dodge Grand
>>>>>Caravan SXT 2007, www.wheelchairdriver.com and its fuel computer is
>>>>>wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>> It thinks a gallon is about 3.something litres! Instead of 4.54
>>>>> litres. Thats a US gallon of course! Our original Gallon is bigger.
>>>>> So...
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the same ish vehicle is sold here Chrysler voyager, there must
>>>>> be a way with a combo of button pushes etc to change this! Does
>>>>> anyone know how?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In the US a Gallon = 4 quarts, in Canada and the UK a Gallon = 5
>>>>quarts.
>>>>
>>>>A UK dealer would be your best source for information on this issue.
>>>>It may involve a program change in the computer.
>>>>
>>>>Richard
>>>>
>>>>

>> The American gallon is actually older then the Imperial gallon. The
>> American gallon is the British wine gallon which was standardized by
>> Parliament in 1707. The Imperial gallon was introduced in 1824 as a
>> replacement for the many different gallons that were in use in England
>> at the time.
>>
>> The American system of fluid measures is binary which makes more sense
>> in a digital world then the metric system which is base 10, or the
>> Imperial gallon which has a decimal pint (although that's nice in a pub
>> when you order a pint of ale).
>>
>> ounce = 2 tablespoons
>> gill = 4 ounces
>> cup = 8 ounces
>> pint = 16 ounces
>> quart = 32 ounces
>> gallon = 128 ounces
>>
>> The mile is also a binary measure, it's 8 furlongs. The Roman mile was
>> 5000 feet which is a good round decimal number. Queen Elisabeth changed
>> it to 8 furlongs. Unfortunately she didn't bother to binaryize the
>> other length measures, they are a mismash of 12s and 5s, i.e. a furlong
>> is 12 * 12 * 5 * 5 inches.

>
>
> I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
> British!) Gallons!
>
> Anyone???


Have you checked with a dealer? If they sell the car in the UK then there
must be UK firmware, I doubt they have different electronics but they
would have different firmware.
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Old July 11th 07, 10:45 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
Matthew Haigh
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:48:33 +0000, Burgerman wrote:
>


>> I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
>> British!) Gallons!
>>
>> Anyone???

>
> Have you checked with a dealer? If they sell the car in the UK then there
> must be UK firmware, I doubt they have different electronics but they
> would have different firmware.


I'm not sure it is possible. Our 2001 UK spec Grand Voyager has a
sticker in the manual telling you what to multiply the mpg reading by to
get the correct value. I'd have thought that it would be better to
reprogram it than put a sticker in the manual if it was simple to do.

It doesn't bother me particularly as we run on LPG, so the fuel
consumption figures from the computer are meaningless - but if anybody
does know a way I'd be pleased to learn it.

Matt
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Old July 11th 07, 01:19 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.chrysler
General Schvantzkoph
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Default Gallons! How to tell the fuel computer to use proper UK Gallon

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:45:02 +0100, Matthew Haigh wrote:

> General Schvantzkoph wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:48:33 +0000, Burgerman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I stand corrected! But how do I convert the Dodge Caravan to real (ok
>>> British!) Gallons!
>>>
>>> Anyone???

>>
>> Have you checked with a dealer? If they sell the car in the UK then
>> there must be UK firmware, I doubt they have different electronics but
>> they would have different firmware.

>
> I'm not sure it is possible. Our 2001 UK spec Grand Voyager has a
> sticker in the manual telling you what to multiply the mpg reading by to
> get the correct value. I'd have thought that it would be better to
> reprogram it than put a sticker in the manual if it was simple to do.
>
> It doesn't bother me particularly as we run on LPG, so the fuel
> consumption figures from the computer are meaningless - but if anybody
> does know a way I'd be pleased to learn it.
>
> Matt


Where's the steering wheel in your Voyager? It's hard to believe that
they would go to the trouble of moving the steering wheel but they
couldn't be bothered to change a single constant in the firmware for the
trip computer.
 




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