'79 CJ5 intake/exhaust manifold gasket

Hello all,

I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
to mess with it for a bit longer.

Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
works better then other things ?

I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
exhaust pipe (probably both)


Ron

All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.

I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.

I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.

The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
housing.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
> go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
> to mess with it for a bit longer.
>
> Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
> works better then other things ?
>
> I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
> exhaust pipe (probably both)
>
> Ron

Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?

Ron


Mike Romain wrote:

> All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
> to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
> Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
>
> I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
>
> I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
>
> The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
> flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
> tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
> runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
> should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
> housing.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
>>
>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
>>works better then other things ?
>>
>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
>>
>>Ron

Most auto-parts stores carry a good selection. If in doubt any muffler
shop can take care of it.

"Ron Croonenberg" > wrote in message
...
> Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I am
> pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
>
> Ron
>
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
>> to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket. Start
>> in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
>>
>> I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
>>
>> I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
>>
>> The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
>> flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
>> tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
>> runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
>> should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
>> housing.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Ron Croonenberg
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
>>>
>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
>>>works better then other things ?
>>>
>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
>>>
>>>Ron

Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal for
the clamping/bolting parts.

Mike


Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
> am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
> > to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
> > Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
> >
> > I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
> >
> > I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
> >
> > The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
> > flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
> > tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
> > runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
> > should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
> > housing.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
> >>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
> >>to mess with it for a bit longer.
> >>
> >>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
> >>works better then other things ?
> >>
> >>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
> >>exhaust pipe (probably both)
> >>
> >>Ron

what does the hanger near teh bellhousing look like ?

(You guys have been very helpfull in sending links to pictures
for my ZJ draglink.)

thanks,

Ron

Mike Romain wrote:
> Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
> have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
> shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal for
> the clamping/bolting parts.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
>>am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
>>>to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
>>>Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
>>>
>>>I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
>>>
>>>I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
>>>
>>>The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
>>>flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
>>>tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
>>>runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
>>>should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
>>>housing.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
>>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
>>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
>>>>
>>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
>>>>works better then other things ?
>>>>
>>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
>>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
>>>>
>>>>Ron

I just have a universal one on. It has a clamp for the pipe and a strap
with holes punched in it. I used a large washer on either side and one
bell housing bolt. I believe there is a stock bracket I once heard the
muffler guy grumbling about...

It just keeps the pipe moving in tune with the engine so the manifold
'donut' joint stays put.

I could take a photo and email it to you if you would like.

Mike

Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> what does the hanger near teh bellhousing look like ?
>
> (You guys have been very helpfull in sending links to pictures
> for my ZJ draglink.)
>
> thanks,
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
> > have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
> > shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal for
> > the clamping/bolting parts.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
> >>am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
> >>>to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
> >>>Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
> >>>
> >>>I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
> >>>
> >>>I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
> >>>
> >>>The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
> >>>flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
> >>>tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
> >>>runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
> >>>should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
> >>>housing.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>
> >>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
> >>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
> >>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
> >>>>works better then other things ?
> >>>>
> >>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
> >>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron

If it is opretty straight forward then that's ok.

I have been fighting an exhaust leak several times. Soo that hanger
missing might be the problem.

btw, are there some tricks to get the pipe of the manyfold ? other then
soak it in oil for a while and use an airgun ?

Ron


Mike Romain wrote:

> I just have a universal one on. It has a clamp for the pipe and a strap
> with holes punched in it. I used a large washer on either side and one
> bell housing bolt. I believe there is a stock bracket I once heard the
> muffler guy grumbling about...
>
> It just keeps the pipe moving in tune with the engine so the manifold
> 'donut' joint stays put.
>
> I could take a photo and email it to you if you would like.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>what does the hanger near teh bellhousing look like ?
>>
>>(You guys have been very helpfull in sending links to pictures
>>for my ZJ draglink.)
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
>>>have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
>>>shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal for
>>>the clamping/bolting parts.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
>>>>am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
>>>>>to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
>>>>>Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
>>>>>
>>>>>The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
>>>>>flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
>>>>>tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
>>>>>runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
>>>>>should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
>>>>>housing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
>>>>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
>>>>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
>>>>>>works better then other things ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
>>>>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron

I did take a photo of mine and noticed it needs attention pretty quick.
Well it's broke and I don't have a leak 'yet' but soon will I am sure.
I broke/shattered that engine mount and the twisting seems to have
ripped the hanger. Something else to fix...

I have posted the photo he
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290636987

The nuts on the studs for the pipe should be brass. A soak and a normal
wrench should even do it.

Mike

Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> If it is opretty straight forward then that's ok.
>
> I have been fighting an exhaust leak several times. Soo that hanger
> missing might be the problem.
>
> btw, are there some tricks to get the pipe of the manyfold ? other then
> soak it in oil for a while and use an airgun ?
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > I just have a universal one on. It has a clamp for the pipe and a strap
> > with holes punched in it. I used a large washer on either side and one
> > bell housing bolt. I believe there is a stock bracket I once heard the
> > muffler guy grumbling about...
> >
> > It just keeps the pipe moving in tune with the engine so the manifold
> > 'donut' joint stays put.
> >
> > I could take a photo and email it to you if you would like.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>what does the hanger near teh bellhousing look like ?
> >>
> >>(You guys have been very helpfull in sending links to pictures
> >>for my ZJ draglink.)
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
> >>>have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
> >>>shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal for
> >>>the clamping/bolting parts.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing. (I
> >>>>am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a pattern
> >>>>>to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
> >>>>>Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the ends.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a while.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't. The
> >>>>>flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
> >>>>>tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the pipe
> >>>>>runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
> >>>>>should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the bell
> >>>>>housing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks is to
> >>>>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I want
> >>>>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do that
> >>>>>>works better then other things ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold and
> >>>>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Ron

Mike have you been using Guinness to flush the radiator again?
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...90636987&idx=5


"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>I did take a photo of mine and noticed it needs attention pretty quick.
> Well it's broke and I don't have a leak 'yet' but soon will I am sure.
> I broke/shattered that engine mount and the twisting seems to have
> ripped the hanger. Something else to fix...
>
> I have posted the photo he
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290636987
>
> The nuts on the studs for the pipe should be brass. A soak and a normal
> wrench should even do it.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>
>> If it is opretty straight forward then that's ok.
>>
>> I have been fighting an exhaust leak several times. Soo that hanger
>> missing might be the problem.
>>
>> btw, are there some tricks to get the pipe of the manyfold ? other then
>> soak it in oil for a while and use an airgun ?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> > I just have a universal one on. It has a clamp for the pipe and a
>> > strap
>> > with holes punched in it. I used a large washer on either side and one
>> > bell housing bolt. I believe there is a stock bracket I once heard the
>> > muffler guy grumbling about...
>> >
>> > It just keeps the pipe moving in tune with the engine so the manifold
>> > 'donut' joint stays put.
>> >
>> > I could take a photo and email it to you if you would like.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>> >
>> >>what does the hanger near teh bellhousing look like ?
>> >>
>> >>(You guys have been very helpfull in sending links to pictures
>> >>for my ZJ draglink.)
>> >>
>> >>thanks,
>> >>
>> >>Ron
>> >>
>> >>Mike Romain wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Yes, you can use one of those rubber strap type universal hangers. I
>> >>>have compared the auto parts stores hangers with ones from a muffler
>> >>>shop and the muffler shop ones are thicker rubber and thicker metal
>> >>>for
>> >>>the clamping/bolting parts.
>> >>>
>> >>>Mike
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Ahhh...ok... I think I am missing that hanger near the bellhousing.
>> >>>>(I
>> >>>>am pretty sure it is missing. Can those be found after market ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Ron
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>All the ones I have seen will tighten up just fine. There is a
>> >>>>>pattern
>> >>>>>to tightening it down, the same as if you were doing a head gasket.
>> >>>>>Start in the middle and do a circular spiral pattern out to the
>> >>>>>ends.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I also find they need a second torque down after running it for a
>> >>>>>while.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I think I used a 'felpro' (sp?) gasket.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>The exhaust pipe fitting might have a donut gasket, but most don't.
>> >>>>>The
>> >>>>>flange is preformed on the manifold. The trick to keeping that one
>> >>>>>tight is to have a good solid hanger at the bell housing. If the
>> >>>>>pipe
>> >>>>>runs free to the muffler, it will be swingy and always leak. There
>> >>>>>should be a hanger right by the clutch bell crank linkage on the
>> >>>>>bell
>> >>>>>housing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Mike
>> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>Hello all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>I know that a permanent solution for intake/exhaust manifold leaks
>> >>>>>>is to
>> >>>>>>go to headers. But I want to do an engine swap at some point so I
>> >>>>>>want
>> >>>>>>to mess with it for a bit longer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Is there some specific gasket, or something else, one can use/do
>> >>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>works better then other things ?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>I have a leak between manifold and engine and/or exhaust manifold
>> >>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>exhaust pipe (probably both)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Ron