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  #61  
Old August 28th 13, 03:56 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 12:15 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/26/2013 06:56 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 8/25/2013 10:39 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/25/2013 12:47 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2013 2:56 PM, jim beam wrote:


<snip>

>>>>> i don't hate the vehicle, i just happen to know their technical
>>>>> background. but i do hate their marketing drivel. or more
>>>>> accurately,
>>>>> why some idiots buy into it - it's a total appeal to emotion with no
>>>>> technical justification whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> Balls, just drive one. Or even read a road test of one.
>>>
>>> uh, i have idiot. and i'm comparing it with other than impala or jeep
>>> which you apparently aren't qualified to do.

>>
>> Clearly you haven't, or are you implying that BMW is bribing the world's
>> entire automotive press?

>
> absolutely - there's no technical justification for the fawning drivel
> that adorns their toilet paper crown.


You're right, it's all a vast conspiracy, spanning the last three
decades. Rather than actually build cars people like to drive, BMW has
just been sitting on the laurels that they earned with the 2002 and 3.0,
and have been systematically paying off C&D, R&T, Autoweek, Motorweek,
Car, Top Gear, Jalopnik, Fifth Gear, and every other automotive
magazine, web site and TV program so that people will be tricked into
buying their vehicles.

You caught them.

Fortunately, nobody ever test drives a car before buying it, otherwise
they'd have gone out of business back around 1990 or so.

nate

(it's odd, there are days when I actually do want to blast BMW for some
of their more idiotic design choices, but then JB jumps in and I find
myself defending them all over again. Because the truth is, they're not
perfect, but far from bad.)
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  #62  
Old August 28th 13, 04:05 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
jim beam[_4_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 08/28/2013 07:46 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/27/2013 11:51 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/26/2013 07:00 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 8/25/2013 10:42 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/25/2013 04:34 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 8/25/2013 7:15 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>>>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ask any automotive writer/critic if he'd rather have a BMW 3er or an
>>>>>>> Evo, assuming that he has to maintain it with his own money. I'd bet
>>>>>>> $100 that 9/10 if not 10/10 will pick the BMW. I'd venture that the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> would be true of professional mechanics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ummmmm. No. I don't know any tech that would rather maintain a BMW
>>>>>> than a Mitsubishi, let alone with his own money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GW
>>>>>
>>>>> *shrug*
>>>>
>>>> so give the guy his $100 then asshole.
>>>
>>> Why? he just said he didn't know any tech. He might not know any techs
>>> at all. It's an opinion that he expressed, not a survey.

>>
>> so your $100 "bet" was just worthless blather and completely
>> meaningless? coming from you, that would be par for the course.

>
> Give me 10 names of techs and contact info who would prefer an Evo and
> I'll pay.


sure, after you pay gw his $100.


>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the mechanic that I tend to take everything I don't want to deal
>>>>> with myself (independent shop owner, not a dealer wrench) drives an
>>>>> E34
>>>>> most days.
>>>>
>>>> because he can afford to have someone else do it after charging you
>>>> idiot tax? [rhetorical]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually he makes very little money off of me. in the last two years I
>>> think he's done two A/C services and a couple state safety and emissions
>>> inspections for me, and he also mounted and balanced my winter tires. I
>>> did give him a set of aftermarket BMW wheels though that I had left over
>>> from a Craigslist deal.
>>>
>>> Because he's a good wrench I recommend him to all my local friends

>>
>> translation: your mom.
>>
>>
>>> when
>>> they ask me where to take their car and I don't feel like/don't have
>>> time to work on their stuff myself.

>>
>> you don't work on your own stuff because you're useless, not because you
>> don't have time. we know this for fact because of all the time you
>> waste here.
>>

>
> Complete fabrication and BS. I've actually been quite busy working on
> some of my friends' vehicles lately, due to the economy sucking balls.
> They're all happy with my advice and work.


bull****. you find infinite time to blather here, but you don't have 2
seconds to notice that hex wrench sets don't have 7mm's in them. idiot.


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  #63  
Old August 28th 13, 04:07 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
jim beam[_4_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 08/28/2013 07:43 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/27/2013 11:44 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/27/2013 06:02 AM, wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 26, 2013 9:56:06 PM UTC+8, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look, I'm not saying that a BMW is the most technically sophisticated
>>>>
>>>> vehicle out there. If it were, it'd cost twice as much as it already
>>>>
>>>> does. But you clearly hate it primarily as I gather because you
>>>> want to
>>>>
>>>> see a SLA front suspension on a "performance" car. You know what? I
>>>>
>>>> agree with you. but the truth is that even with the "inferior"
>>>>
>>>> McPherson struts, both BMW and Porsche have managed to make some
>>>>
>>>> legitimately good handling cars that both ride and handle very well.
>>>>
>>>> and that's what counts - results, not what it looks like on paper.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Holden Commodores (RWD) also use McPherson, and they handle very well
>>> for
>>> a large sedan.
>>>

>>
>> they handle very well compared to tractors too. but people that say
>> that, in my experience, mistake engine power for performance - totally
>> not the same.
>>
>> and macpherson was designed back in the days of bias ply tires where
>> tread angles were virtually irrelevant. look at the inside tire of a
>> macpherson vehicle at full lock and see how little rubber is on the
>> road. then tell me that the subject "handles well". sorry, but that
>> person doesn't know what handling is.
>>
>>

> And how much load is on that inside tire under hard cornering?


the kind of cornering you do in your impala or jeep?


>
> IOW, mostly irrelevant.


no idiot, it's entirely relevant. but you'll never understand because
you're completely clueless.


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  #64  
Old August 28th 13, 04:12 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
jim beam[_4_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 08/28/2013 07:56 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/28/2013 12:15 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/26/2013 06:56 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 8/25/2013 10:39 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/25/2013 12:47 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 8/25/2013 2:56 PM, jim beam wrote:

>
> <snip>
>
>>>>>> i don't hate the vehicle, i just happen to know their technical
>>>>>> background. but i do hate their marketing drivel. or more
>>>>>> accurately,
>>>>>> why some idiots buy into it - it's a total appeal to emotion with no
>>>>>> technical justification whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Balls, just drive one. Or even read a road test of one.
>>>>
>>>> uh, i have idiot. and i'm comparing it with other than impala or jeep
>>>> which you apparently aren't qualified to do.
>>>
>>> Clearly you haven't, or are you implying that BMW is bribing the world's
>>> entire automotive press?

>>
>> absolutely - there's no technical justification for the fawning drivel
>> that adorns their toilet paper crown.

>
> You're right, it's all a vast conspiracy,


no, it's simply paid advertising!


> spanning the last three
> decades. Rather than actually build cars people like to drive, BMW has
> just been sitting on the laurels that they earned with the 2002 and 3.0,
> and have been systematically paying off C&D, R&T, Autoweek, Motorweek,
> Car, Top Gear, Jalopnik, Fifth Gear, and every other automotive
> magazine, web site and TV program so that people will be tricked into
> buying their vehicles.
>
> You caught them.
>
> Fortunately, nobody ever test drives a car before buying it, otherwise
> they'd have gone out of business back around 1990 or so.
>
> nate
>
> (it's odd, there are days when I actually do want to blast BMW for some
> of their more idiotic design choices, but then JB jumps in and I find
> myself defending them all over again. Because the truth is, they're not
> perfect, but far from bad.)


and for all your idiot defense, you've not been able to cite one single
example of technical advantage, you're just vaguely waving your arms
about in the breeze hoping to make your underinformed opinion not appear
so irrelevant.


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  #65  
Old August 28th 13, 04:26 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 11:05 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/28/2013 07:46 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 8/27/2013 11:51 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/26/2013 07:00 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2013 10:42 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 08/25/2013 04:34 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 7:15 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>>>>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ask any automotive writer/critic if he'd rather have a BMW 3er
>>>>>>>> or an
>>>>>>>> Evo, assuming that he has to maintain it with his own money. I'd
>>>>>>>> bet
>>>>>>>> $100 that 9/10 if not 10/10 will pick the BMW. I'd venture that the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> would be true of professional mechanics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ummmmm. No. I don't know any tech that would rather maintain a BMW
>>>>>>> than a Mitsubishi, let alone with his own money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *shrug*
>>>>>
>>>>> so give the guy his $100 then asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Why? he just said he didn't know any tech. He might not know any
>>>> techs
>>>> at all. It's an opinion that he expressed, not a survey.
>>>
>>> so your $100 "bet" was just worthless blather and completely
>>> meaningless? coming from you, that would be par for the course.

>>
>> Give me 10 names of techs and contact info who would prefer an Evo and
>> I'll pay.

>
> sure, after you pay gw his $100.
>


Assertion is not proof, moron.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the mechanic that I tend to take everything I don't want to deal
>>>>>> with myself (independent shop owner, not a dealer wrench) drives an
>>>>>> E34
>>>>>> most days.
>>>>>
>>>>> because he can afford to have someone else do it after charging you
>>>>> idiot tax? [rhetorical]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually he makes very little money off of me. in the last two years I
>>>> think he's done two A/C services and a couple state safety and
>>>> emissions
>>>> inspections for me, and he also mounted and balanced my winter
>>>> tires. I
>>>> did give him a set of aftermarket BMW wheels though that I had left
>>>> over
>>>> from a Craigslist deal.
>>>>
>>>> Because he's a good wrench I recommend him to all my local friends
>>>
>>> translation: your mom.
>>>
>>>
>>>> when
>>>> they ask me where to take their car and I don't feel like/don't have
>>>> time to work on their stuff myself.
>>>
>>> you don't work on your own stuff because you're useless, not because you
>>> don't have time. we know this for fact because of all the time you
>>> waste here.
>>>

>>
>> Complete fabrication and BS. I've actually been quite busy working on
>> some of my friends' vehicles lately, due to the economy sucking balls.
>> They're all happy with my advice and work.

>
> bull****. you find infinite time to blather here, but you don't have 2
> seconds to notice that hex wrench sets don't have 7mm's in them. idiot.



My set of 3/8" drive hex bits does, as evidenced by the fact that I
didn't have to run out and buy any tools to change the brakes on my car.

Pretty sure this is the set I have, it's S-K brand anyway:

http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/p-51...ool-19706.aspx

took me all of 45 seconds to find it on the interwebs.

nate
  #66  
Old August 28th 13, 04:27 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 11:12 AM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/28/2013 07:56 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 8/28/2013 12:15 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/26/2013 06:56 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2013 10:39 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 08/25/2013 12:47 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 2:56 PM, jim beam wrote:

>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>> i don't hate the vehicle, i just happen to know their technical
>>>>>>> background. but i do hate their marketing drivel. or more
>>>>>>> accurately,
>>>>>>> why some idiots buy into it - it's a total appeal to emotion with no
>>>>>>> technical justification whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Balls, just drive one. Or even read a road test of one.
>>>>>
>>>>> uh, i have idiot. and i'm comparing it with other than impala or jeep
>>>>> which you apparently aren't qualified to do.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly you haven't, or are you implying that BMW is bribing the
>>>> world's
>>>> entire automotive press?
>>>
>>> absolutely - there's no technical justification for the fawning drivel
>>> that adorns their toilet paper crown.

>>
>> You're right, it's all a vast conspiracy,

>
> no, it's simply paid advertising!
>
>
>> spanning the last three
>> decades. Rather than actually build cars people like to drive, BMW has
>> just been sitting on the laurels that they earned with the 2002 and 3.0,
>> and have been systematically paying off C&D, R&T, Autoweek, Motorweek,
>> Car, Top Gear, Jalopnik, Fifth Gear, and every other automotive
>> magazine, web site and TV program so that people will be tricked into
>> buying their vehicles.
>>
>> You caught them.
>>
>> Fortunately, nobody ever test drives a car before buying it, otherwise
>> they'd have gone out of business back around 1990 or so.
>>
>> nate
>>
>> (it's odd, there are days when I actually do want to blast BMW for some
>> of their more idiotic design choices, but then JB jumps in and I find
>> myself defending them all over again. Because the truth is, they're not
>> perfect, but far from bad.)

>
> and for all your idiot defense, you've not been able to cite one single
> example of technical advantage, you're just vaguely waving your arms
> about in the breeze hoping to make your underinformed opinion not appear
> so irrelevant.
>
>


Well, how about they were one of the very first manufacturers to produce
a mass-market direct injected gasoline engine? (modern era, that is - I
know M-B did it back in the 50's)

nate
  #67  
Old August 28th 13, 04:44 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 11:26 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/28/2013 11:05 AM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/28/2013 07:46 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 8/27/2013 11:51 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/26/2013 07:00 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 8/25/2013 10:42 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/25/2013 04:34 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 7:15 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ask any automotive writer/critic if he'd rather have a BMW 3er
>>>>>>>>> or an
>>>>>>>>> Evo, assuming that he has to maintain it with his own money. I'd
>>>>>>>>> bet
>>>>>>>>> $100 that 9/10 if not 10/10 will pick the BMW. I'd venture that
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> would be true of professional mechanics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ummmmm. No. I don't know any tech that would rather maintain a
>>>>>>>> BMW
>>>>>>>> than a Mitsubishi, let alone with his own money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *shrug*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so give the guy his $100 then asshole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? he just said he didn't know any tech. He might not know any
>>>>> techs
>>>>> at all. It's an opinion that he expressed, not a survey.
>>>>
>>>> so your $100 "bet" was just worthless blather and completely
>>>> meaningless? coming from you, that would be par for the course.
>>>
>>> Give me 10 names of techs and contact info who would prefer an Evo and
>>> I'll pay.

>>
>> sure, after you pay gw his $100.
>>

>
> Assertion is not proof, moron.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the mechanic that I tend to take everything I don't want to deal
>>>>>>> with myself (independent shop owner, not a dealer wrench) drives an
>>>>>>> E34
>>>>>>> most days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> because he can afford to have someone else do it after charging you
>>>>>> idiot tax? [rhetorical]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually he makes very little money off of me. in the last two
>>>>> years I
>>>>> think he's done two A/C services and a couple state safety and
>>>>> emissions
>>>>> inspections for me, and he also mounted and balanced my winter
>>>>> tires. I
>>>>> did give him a set of aftermarket BMW wheels though that I had left
>>>>> over
>>>>> from a Craigslist deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's a good wrench I recommend him to all my local friends
>>>>
>>>> translation: your mom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>> they ask me where to take their car and I don't feel like/don't have
>>>>> time to work on their stuff myself.
>>>>
>>>> you don't work on your own stuff because you're useless, not because
>>>> you
>>>> don't have time. we know this for fact because of all the time you
>>>> waste here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Complete fabrication and BS. I've actually been quite busy working on
>>> some of my friends' vehicles lately, due to the economy sucking balls.
>>> They're all happy with my advice and work.

>>
>> bull****. you find infinite time to blather here, but you don't have 2
>> seconds to notice that hex wrench sets don't have 7mm's in them. idiot.

>
>
> My set of 3/8" drive hex bits does, as evidenced by the fact that I
> didn't have to run out and buy any tools to change the brakes on my car.
>
> Pretty sure this is the set I have, it's S-K brand anyway:
>
> http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/p-51...ool-19706.aspx
>
> took me all of 45 seconds to find it on the interwebs.
>
> nate


the smaller S-K set p/n 19708 also includes the 7mm.

I didn't look up any other manufacturers; S-K was the first one I tried.

So apparently 7mm hex bits are not as obscure as you think.

Oh, look, the Snappy set has a 7mm included too

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

so does Craftsman

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-6-pc-...4&blockType=G4

and Proto

http://www.protoindustrial.com/en/industrial-tools/Proto/Hand-Sockets/Bit-Socket-Sets/J4900MA_Proto%C2%AE-3|8%22-%26-1|2%22-Drive-10-Piece-Metric-Hex-Bit-Set-/

and Mac

http://www.mactools.com/shoponline/p...river-set.aspx

in fact, I'm having a hard time finding a set that *doesn't* include the
7mm.

You sure you're going to stand by that statement that they "don't come
with the 7mm?"

nate
  #68  
Old August 28th 13, 04:54 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 11:44 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/28/2013 11:26 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 8/28/2013 11:05 AM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/28/2013 07:46 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 8/27/2013 11:51 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 08/26/2013 07:00 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 10:42 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 08/25/2013 04:34 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/25/2013 7:15 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ask any automotive writer/critic if he'd rather have a BMW 3er
>>>>>>>>>> or an
>>>>>>>>>> Evo, assuming that he has to maintain it with his own money. I'd
>>>>>>>>>> bet
>>>>>>>>>> $100 that 9/10 if not 10/10 will pick the BMW. I'd venture that
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> would be true of professional mechanics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ummmmm. No. I don't know any tech that would rather maintain a
>>>>>>>>> BMW
>>>>>>>>> than a Mitsubishi, let alone with his own money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GW
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *shrug*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so give the guy his $100 then asshole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? he just said he didn't know any tech. He might not know any
>>>>>> techs
>>>>>> at all. It's an opinion that he expressed, not a survey.
>>>>>
>>>>> so your $100 "bet" was just worthless blather and completely
>>>>> meaningless? coming from you, that would be par for the course.
>>>>
>>>> Give me 10 names of techs and contact info who would prefer an Evo and
>>>> I'll pay.
>>>
>>> sure, after you pay gw his $100.
>>>

>>
>> Assertion is not proof, moron.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the mechanic that I tend to take everything I don't want to deal
>>>>>>>> with myself (independent shop owner, not a dealer wrench) drives an
>>>>>>>> E34
>>>>>>>> most days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because he can afford to have someone else do it after charging you
>>>>>>> idiot tax? [rhetorical]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually he makes very little money off of me. in the last two
>>>>>> years I
>>>>>> think he's done two A/C services and a couple state safety and
>>>>>> emissions
>>>>>> inspections for me, and he also mounted and balanced my winter
>>>>>> tires. I
>>>>>> did give him a set of aftermarket BMW wheels though that I had left
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> from a Craigslist deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because he's a good wrench I recommend him to all my local friends
>>>>>
>>>>> translation: your mom.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they ask me where to take their car and I don't feel like/don't have
>>>>>> time to work on their stuff myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> you don't work on your own stuff because you're useless, not because
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't have time. we know this for fact because of all the time you
>>>>> waste here.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Complete fabrication and BS. I've actually been quite busy working on
>>>> some of my friends' vehicles lately, due to the economy sucking balls.
>>>> They're all happy with my advice and work.
>>>
>>> bull****. you find infinite time to blather here, but you don't have 2
>>> seconds to notice that hex wrench sets don't have 7mm's in them. idiot.

>>
>>
>> My set of 3/8" drive hex bits does, as evidenced by the fact that I
>> didn't have to run out and buy any tools to change the brakes on my car.
>>
>> Pretty sure this is the set I have, it's S-K brand anyway:
>>
>> http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/p-51...ool-19706.aspx
>>
>> took me all of 45 seconds to find it on the interwebs.
>>
>> nate

>
> the smaller S-K set p/n 19708 also includes the 7mm.
>
> I didn't look up any other manufacturers; S-K was the first one I tried.
>
> So apparently 7mm hex bits are not as obscure as you think.
>
> Oh, look, the Snappy set has a 7mm included too
>
> http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog
>
>
> so does Craftsman
>
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-6-pc-...4&blockType=G4
>
>
> and Proto
>
> http://www.protoindustrial.com/en/industrial-tools/Proto/Hand-Sockets/Bit-Socket-Sets/J4900MA_Proto%C2%AE-3|8%22-%26-1|2%22-Drive-10-Piece-Metric-Hex-Bit-Set-/
>
>
> and Mac
>
> http://www.mactools.com/shoponline/p...river-set.aspx
>
>
> in fact, I'm having a hard time finding a set that *doesn't* include the
> 7mm.
>
> You sure you're going to stand by that statement that they "don't come
> with the 7mm?"
>
> nate


After thinking about it for a bit, I thought that I had figured out
where you were shopping for tools... but guess what? Harbor Freight's
little "Pittsburgh" brand set also includes the 7mm!

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece...set-69546.html

This is fun, but not really productive... I literally have not found a
single set yet that doesn't include the 7mm however!

I hope that at least I've helped you find the tools that you were having
a hard time locating. I bet most of the manufacturers I listed above
will also have a selection of 3/8" drive ratchets, breaker bars, and
speed handles as well, if you were having a hard time finding those!

nate
  #69  
Old August 28th 13, 05:47 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Tegger[_4_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

Nate Nagel > wrote in
:


>
> You sure you're going to stand by that statement that they "don't come
> with the 7mm?"
>



Of course he will.

Your finds won't count since they didn't meet some obscure criterion, such
as being formulated with unicorn snot.


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  #70  
Old August 28th 13, 07:03 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default JB's hatred of BMW because a BMW driver was mean to him once

On 8/28/2013 12:47 PM, Tegger wrote:
> Nate Nagel > wrote in
> :
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>
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>> You sure you're going to stand by that statement that they "don't come
>> with the 7mm?"
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> Of course he will.
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> Your finds won't count since they didn't meet some obscure criterion, such
> as being formulated with unicorn snot.
>


The funny thing is that the sets that drop a whole mm size seem to be
dropping the 9mm which I'm pretty sure is what I needed to do the brakes
on a friend's Chevy recently.

But no, it's BMW that is making mechanics' lives difficult.

nate

 




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