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  #11  
Old October 31st 04, 10:11 PM
misterfact
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Philip Nasadowski > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (misterfact) wrote:
>
> > I tow my saturn behind my r.v. the dealer never told me I had to
> > balance and rotate my tires. every 6000 miles.
> > the transmission was destroyed they told me it was my fault.

>
> Huh?
>
> Standard text in ANY car owner's manual - do not tow the car on all 4
> wheels. In fact, it's bad for any car out there, and murderous to any
> *automatic* transmission car.
>
> Because the transmission doesn't get lubrication when the motor's not
> running - the engine spins the tranny's oil pump.
>
> The simple fact is, and RV heads absolutely hate hearing this, but the
> only safe way to tow a car is either with a dolly that keeps the drive
> wheels off the ground, or with the halfshafts out. Spinning the
> transmission via the drivesshaft for hours on end at high speed, without
> the engine running to keep the pump going, will destory ANY automatic
> out there, and is bad for most manuals too.
>
> No car company covers dammage from intentional use. I'm failing to see
> how this is a 'horror story'....



The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
somewhere in the middle of the owners manual! Besides- common sense
says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
from the transmission. So why should the trans be affected at all? We
all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
to believe it can't hart any car! So thanks for the information but
don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
owners of this!
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  #12  
Old October 31st 04, 10:37 PM
BANDIT2941
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> The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
>somewhere in the middle of the owners manual! Besides- common sense
>says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
>from the transmission. So why should the trans be affected at all? We
>all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
>to believe it can't hart any car! So thanks for the information but
>don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
>owners of this!
>
>


Well maybe you should RTFM manual, dip****!!!!!

Why should the trans be affected? Its common sense to me that it *IS* affected.
Maybe you're just a stupid ass?
  #13  
Old October 31st 04, 10:55 PM
Steve
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The only reason many people (like me) buy a Saturn is because (for most
older and some new models) they CAN be towed 4-down according to the Saturn
and will still be covered under warranty. RTFM!

The transmission pump in many Saturns is spun by the wheels and not the
engine. There are several other vehicles that operate this way and can be
towed 4-down, many other vehicles allow it under limited speeds/mileage
because they are either designed very well and/or get a low level of
lubrication without the engine running. For those vehicles that don't get
enough circulation, you can install an aftermarket "lube pump" from the
likes of Remco Towing.

As for the suggestion made in another post to tow with the engine running,
that's just plain dumb! If the engine doesn't overheat from poor air flow,
the power steering pump doesn't fail from fighting the turning wheels, there
is always the chance of it slipping into gear and push both vehicles off a
cliff.

"Philip Nasadowski" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (misterfact) wrote:
>
> > I tow my saturn behind my r.v. the dealer never told me I had to
> > balance and rotate my tires. every 6000 miles.
> > the transmission was destroyed they told me it was my fault.

>
> Huh?
>
> Standard text in ANY car owner's manual - do not tow the car on all 4
> wheels. In fact, it's bad for any car out there, and murderous to any
> *automatic* transmission car.
>
> Because the transmission doesn't get lubrication when the motor's not
> running - the engine spins the tranny's oil pump.
>
> The simple fact is, and RV heads absolutely hate hearing this, but the
> only safe way to tow a car is either with a dolly that keeps the drive
> wheels off the ground, or with the halfshafts out. Spinning the
> transmission via the drivesshaft for hours on end at high speed, without
> the engine running to keep the pump going, will destory ANY automatic
> out there, and is bad for most manuals too.
>
> No car company covers dammage from intentional use. I'm failing to see
> how this is a 'horror story'....



  #14  
Old November 1st 04, 01:29 AM
Philip Nasadowski
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In article >,
(misterfact) wrote:

> The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
> somewhere in the middle of the owners manual


RTFM. Duh. It's not Saturn's fault for you not reasing your manual.

> Besides- common sense
> says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
> from the transmission.


No, that's not how car transmissions work.

> So why should the trans be affected at all?


Because it's still being spun by the wheels. And it's not recieving
full lubrication because the front pump isn't running. Unless the front
pump in an automatic is running, the transission is not being properly
lubricated. In a manual, unless the engine's running and spinning the
gears, there's no splash lubrication to the needle bearings on the
various shafts. Shafts which spin regardless of if the transmission's
in gear or not.

> We all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
> to believe it can't hart any car!


I see soccer moms weaving through traffic in their SUVs while yapping on
phones al the time. This doesn't mean it's a good idea, or safe.

> So thanks for the information but
> don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
> owners of this!


Why would they? Nobody else does. But, if you look in the manual, it
clearly states how you should tow the vehicle, and what conditions apply.

Simply reading the manual will give the answer. It's not Saturn's fault
if the owners don't read and follow the manual.
  #15  
Old November 1st 04, 03:27 AM
Jonnie Santos
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....now say what you really mean! (grin)

Happy Halloween all...

"BANDIT2941" > wrote in message
...
>> The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
>>somewhere in the middle of the owners manual! Besides- common sense
>>says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
>>from the transmission. So why should the trans be affected at all? We
>>all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
>>to believe it can't hart any car! So thanks for the information but
>>don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
>>owners of this!
>>
>>

>
> Well maybe you should RTFM manual, dip****!!!!!
>
> Why should the trans be affected? Its common sense to me that it *IS*
> affected.
> Maybe you're just a stupid ass?



  #16  
Old November 1st 04, 05:00 AM
Roy
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"common sense says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are
dis-engaged from the transmission."
No. Common sense says that when the car is in neutral the wheels are
disengaged from the engine not the transmission.

"misterfact" > wrote in message
om...
> Philip Nasadowski > wrote in message
> >...
>> In article >,
>> (misterfact) wrote:
>>
>> > I tow my saturn behind my r.v. the dealer never told me I had to
>> > balance and rotate my tires. every 6000 miles.
>> > the transmission was destroyed they told me it was my fault.

>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Standard text in ANY car owner's manual - do not tow the car on all 4
>> wheels. In fact, it's bad for any car out there, and murderous to any
>> *automatic* transmission car.
>>
>> Because the transmission doesn't get lubrication when the motor's not
>> running - the engine spins the tranny's oil pump.
>>
>> The simple fact is, and RV heads absolutely hate hearing this, but the
>> only safe way to tow a car is either with a dolly that keeps the drive
>> wheels off the ground, or with the halfshafts out. Spinning the
>> transmission via the drivesshaft for hours on end at high speed, without
>> the engine running to keep the pump going, will destory ANY automatic
>> out there, and is bad for most manuals too.
>>
>> No car company covers dammage from intentional use. I'm failing to see
>> how this is a 'horror story'....

>
>
> The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
> somewhere in the middle of the owners manual! Besides- common sense
> says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
> from the transmission. So why should the trans be affected at all? We
> all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
> to believe it can't hart any car! So thanks for the information but
> don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
> owners of this!



  #17  
Old November 1st 04, 05:21 AM
Rev Turd Fredericks
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:29:48 -0500, Philip Nasadowski
> wrote:

>In article >,
> (misterfact) wrote:
>
>> The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
>> somewhere in the middle of the owners manual

>
>RTFM. Duh. It's not Saturn's fault for you not reasing your manual.
>
>> Besides- common sense
>> says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
>> from the transmission.

>
>No, that's not how car transmissions work.
>
>> So why should the trans be affected at all?

>
>Because it's still being spun by the wheels. And it's not recieving
>full lubrication because the front pump isn't running. Unless the front
>pump in an automatic is running, the transission is not being properly
>lubricated. In a manual, unless the engine's running and spinning the
>gears, there's no splash lubrication to the needle bearings on the
>various shafts. Shafts which spin regardless of if the transmission's
>in gear or not.
>
>> We all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
>> to believe it can't hart any car!

>
>I see soccer moms weaving through traffic in their SUVs while yapping on
>phones al the time. This doesn't mean it's a good i.dea, or safe.
>
>> So thanks for the information but
>> don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
>> owners of this!

>
>Why would they? Nobody else does. But, if you look in the manual, it
>clearly states how you should tow the vehicle, and what conditions apply.
>
>Simply reading the manual will give the answer. It's not Saturn's fault
>if the owners don't read and follow the manual.


Very True. I just got my new 2004 ION 3 last tuesday. No matter how
boring it was, I read the manual cover to cover, plus all the warranty
information (what's covered what's not) and the service schedule. It's
only common sense. And to address the original poster (I don't
remember which car he had was it an SL or an ION?), the ION manual
section 4 pgs. 31-33 has pretty specific instructions on towing for
the various transmissions. The manual transmission car is the only one
that can be towed with 4 wheels on the ground and it gives specific
instructions on how to do it with pictures and everything, it's hard
to miss, certainly not fine print. I quote "Five Speed Automatic and
VTi: Your vehicle was not designed to be towed with all four wheels on
the ground"
  #18  
Old November 1st 04, 06:22 AM
BANDIT2941
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>...now say what you really mean! (grin)

LOL.....this guy really is a dip**** and very annoying. Nobody should pay for
his own stupidity but himself. Just because he's a stupid ass doesn't mean he
has to degrade Saturn all over the place.

>
>Happy Halloween all...


You too.....


  #19  
Old November 3rd 04, 12:55 AM
Philip Nasadowski
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In article >,
HRA (BANDIT2941) wrote:

> Nobody should pay for his own stupidity but himself.


Isn't he the one who promotes illegal splicing of power cords, too?
  #20  
Old November 4th 04, 10:29 PM
Jeff McDonald
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With the key off, the miles don't add up on the car's odometer.

"misterfact" > wrote in message
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> I have 37000 miles on it and am on my
> third set of tires.



 




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