Father Of The VW Beetle

In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased from
German history books

Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:

http://www.josef-ganz.com/

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
> wrote:

> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased from
> German history books
>
> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>
> http://www.josef-ganz.com/

Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
entirely certain of the name though.
I'll take a look at the link later.

J.
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Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in error
here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer and a
V8 in rear.
No?
"P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
> > wrote:
>
>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased from
>> German history books
>>
>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>
>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>
> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
> entirely certain of the name though.
> I'll take a look at the link later.
>
> J.
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:

> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
> error
> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
> and a
> V8 in rear.
> No?

Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.

J.



> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased from
>>> German history books
>>>
>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>
>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>
>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
>> entirely certain of the name though.
>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>
>> J.
>> --
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Thats the car. According to this book I read
the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.

"P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:
>
>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>> error
>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>> and a
>> V8 in rear.
>> No?
>
> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>
> J.
>
>
>
>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased from
>>>> German history books
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>
>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>
>>> J.
>>> --
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>>
>>
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:27 +0200, John > wrote:

> Thats the car. According to this book I read
> the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.


What book is that? It's the first I have heard of Tatra or its designer in
connection with the Beetle.
Perhaps there is something on Wikipedia.

J.




>
> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:
>>
>>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>>> error
>>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>>> and a
>>> V8 in rear.
>>> No?
>>
>> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>>
>> J.



>>
>>
>>
>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased
>>>>> from
>>>>> German history books
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>>
>>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
>>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Now this is out o fmy memory so I may have some of it wrong, but I think
Porsche was at least accused of "stealing" Hans Ledwinka's (Tatra
designer) designs to make the early KDF wagen designs.

Jan

On 4/3/2012 7:00 AM, P.J.Berg wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:27 +0200, John > wrote:
>
>> Thats the car. According to this book I read
>> the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.
>
>
> What book is that? It's the first I have heard of Tatra or its designer
> in connection with the Beetle.
> Perhaps there is something on Wikipedia.
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>>>> error
>>>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>>>> and a
>>>> V8 in rear.
>>>> No?
>>>
>>> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>>>
>>> J.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> German history books
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago. Not
>>>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>

http://www.vvwca.com/features/people/ledwinka/

On 4/3/2012 9:29 AM, Jan Andersson wrote:
> Now this is out o fmy memory so I may have some of it wrong, but I think
> Porsche was at least accused of "stealing" Hans Ledwinka's (Tatra
> designer) designs to make the early KDF wagen designs.
>
> Jan
>
> On 4/3/2012 7:00 AM, P.J.Berg wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:27 +0200, John > wrote:
>>
>>> Thats the car. According to this book I read
>>> the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.
>>
>>
>> What book is that? It's the first I have heard of Tatra or its designer
>> in connection with the Beetle.
>> Perhaps there is something on Wikipedia.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>>>>> error
>>>>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>>>>> and a
>>>>> V8 in rear.
>>>>> No?
>>>>
>>>> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> German history books
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago.
>>>>>> Not
>>>>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>>>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

I,m sure it was in a "VW Trends' but couldnt find it in my old mags. Jan
was right though, I,m sure that was the bloke mentioned.
"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> Now this is out o fmy memory so I may have some of it wrong, but I think
> Porsche was at least accused of "stealing" Hans Ledwinka's (Tatra
> designer) designs to make the early KDF wagen designs.
>
> Jan
>
> On 4/3/2012 7:00 AM, P.J.Berg wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:27 +0200, John > wrote:
>>
>>> Thats the car. According to this book I read
>>> the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.
>>
>>
>> What book is that? It's the first I have heard of Tatra or its designer
>> in connection with the Beetle.
>> Perhaps there is something on Wikipedia.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, John > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>>>>> error
>>>>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>>>>> and a
>>>>> V8 in rear.
>>>>> No?
>>>>
>>>> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> German history books
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago.
>>>>>> Not
>>>>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>>>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

As I recall some payment was made to the fellow to go ahead and quiet
the dispute over design issues but either before or after that the
German Govt (war-time govt) "convinced" all claims to be dropped against
Porsche.
KWW
On 4/3/2012 10:45 PM, John wrote:
> I,m sure it was in a "VW Trends' but couldnt find it in my old mags. Jan
> was right though, I,m sure that was the bloke mentioned.
> "Jan > wrote in message
> ...
>> Now this is out o fmy memory so I may have some of it wrong, but I think
>> Porsche was at least accused of "stealing" Hans Ledwinka's (Tatra
>> designer) designs to make the early KDF wagen designs.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> On 4/3/2012 7:00 AM, P.J.Berg wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:27 +0200, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats the car. According to this book I read
>>>> the bloke who designed that also did the beetle.
>>>
>>>
>>> What book is that? It's the first I have heard of Tatra or its designer
>>> in connection with the Beetle.
>>> Perhaps there is something on Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:32:21 +0200, > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last I read the designer was actually a Czech bloke ( and I may be in
>>>>>> error
>>>>>> here re the engine) who designed a beetle looking car but much longer
>>>>>> and a
>>>>>> V8 in rear.
>>>>>> No?
>>>>>
>>>>> Different vehicle all together, you are thinking of Tatra.
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:58:55 +0200, Bill Berckman
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In every VW book I have read, they cite Ferdinand Porsche as the
>>>>>>>> person who designed the VW Beetle. I ran across some information
>>>>>>>> today that disputes that. It says that an engineer by the name of
>>>>>>>> Josep Ganz was the person responsible, but because he was Jewish, he
>>>>>>>> was forced to leave Germany during that time, and his name erased
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> German history books
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take a look at the link if you get a chance and see what you think:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.josef-ganz.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just read that somewhere myself, probably less than two weeks ago.
>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>> entirely certain of the name though.
>>>>>>> I'll take a look at the link later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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