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"R. P." > wrote in message ... > "jim beam" > wrote: >> you definitely have a point regarding oil quality affecting engine noise. >> running ford oem 5w-30 in my civic, the motor sounded like it was five >> fourth's ready to die. putting it back onto castrol gtx, she quieted >> right up again. > > What is it about Castrol that makes it such a favorite with Honda > service centers? I mean as log as -- say -- a Chevron brand oil has the > same API rating that is specified by the Honda specs API rating are a minimum. |
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"SoCalMike" > wrote in message ... > Gordon McGrew wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:30:09 -0400, "Pars" > > > wrote: > > > > > >>Considering that the 96 Odyssey was Honda's first attempt at making a > >>Minivan with Isuzu help, it could have some reliability issues. 40,000miles > >>seem extremely early for 'piston knock' to occur. If so, it should have been > >>a warranty issue. > >> > >>Pars > > > > > > I don't think that Isuzu had any part in engineering the Odyssey. The > > only connection with Isuzu was that they got some Odysseys to rebadge > > (Oasis) as part of the deal that gave Honda the dreaded Passport and > > some equally forgettable SUV for the Acura line. > > the SLX/trooper! and youre right, i totally forgot about it. > > kinda sad to see how isuzu practically doesnt exist in the states any > more. in their heyday, they had a wide range of smaller, useable SUVS, > along with the amigo, and a decent minitruck. now? nothin but a rebadged > GM clone. Jeep cornered that market, especially with the Libreto. You're right about the Odyseey, I suppose I was juxtoposition .the Passport and the Odyssey... Since we're off topic, here's a cool little micro van that's probably going decimate the 'Wagon' category and could take a chunk out of the minivan market. http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/06mazda5.htm Pars > > i live close to the cerritos auto square in southern california. on the > main strip are all the important dealers. off to the side is a converted > paint store that now sells isuzu/suzuki/mitsubishi. none of those > marques can afford to stand alone. i call it the "kiss of death" > dealership. before that, they sold daewoo |
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Pars wrote:
> Since we're off topic, here's a cool little micro van that's probably going > decimate the 'Wagon' category and could take a chunk out of the minivan > market. > > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/06mazda5.htm Interesting, but I think I would sacrifice the 2x2x2 seating for better fuel economy and quality, and get a Toyota Matrix instead. |
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Gordon McGrew wrote:
>>i live close to the cerritos auto square in southern california. on the >>main strip are all the important dealers. off to the side is a converted >>paint store that now sells isuzu/suzuki/mitsubishi. none of those >>marques can afford to stand alone. i call it the "kiss of death" >>dealership. before that, they sold daewoo > > > Was that after the Yugo shop closed? nah... but im almost positive it was a daihatsu place when it first opened. remember them? "youll think the world of daihatsu" whatta slogan! |
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Pars wrote:
> Since we're off topic, here's a cool little micro van that's probably going > decimate the 'Wagon' category and could take a chunk out of the minivan > market. > > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/06mazda5.htm interesting! i kinda miss the old honda wagovan built from 88-91. never owned one, and thought it was hella dorky at the time, but i think it might have been a hit if it was offered now. |
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"SoCalMike" > wrote in message ... > Pars wrote: > > Since we're off topic, here's a cool little micro van that's probably going > > decimate the 'Wagon' category and could take a chunk out of the minivan > > market. > > > > http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/06mazda5.htm > > interesting! i kinda miss the old honda wagovan built from 88-91. never > owned one, and thought it was hella dorky at the time, but i think it > might have been a hit if it was offered now. I had the same thought. The under 40years group has basically grown up on smaller car (I remember back in 86' when I was the first to get a front drive Chevy Nova and was constantly getting challenged, at the lights, by all the rear drive boats). My age and younger probably have developed a healthy respect for the smaller cars (Then there's the poser or nostalgic old-timers who like the bigger stuff) Pars ) |
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> Isuzu had nothing to do with the Odyssey engine. The 95-98 Odyssey was all > Honda, built on the Accord platform. Isuzu was allowed to re-badge and sell > them in the deal with Honda that had Honda selling re-badged Isuzu Rodeos. > It uses the same 4 cylinder Honda engine used in Accords of that generation. > They were known to develop piston slap. There is no evidence that it is > caused by neglect or abuse. > > In this particular case, the warranty was up at 36,000 miles so there was no > warranty consideration given, though I have heard of people who were given > new engines under warranty for this problem. It does not really hurt > anything and the car will run for a normal lifespan with the problem. That > particular Odyssey is still in the family and currently has about 140000 > miles on it. Yeah, One of my friend has a 95 Civic that has a bad case of the 'piston slap' and his car is in pristine condition. He's also a conservative driver who's careful with his maintenance schedule. It's good thing that the newer generation engines are a little more robust. I believe the Ody's 2.2L was replaced with the newer 2.3L? Pars > > On 7/3/05 9:30 PM, in article , "Pars" > > wrote: > > > Considering that the 96 Odyssey was Honda's first attempt at making a > > Minivan with Isuzu help, it could have some reliability issues. 40,000miles > > seem extremely early for 'piston knock' to occur. If so, it should have been > > a warranty issue. > > > > Pars > > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "Dee" > wrote in message > >>> ... > >>>> Thanks for all the input. > >>>> > >>>> It goes away SOME after the engine idles down after warm-up, but does > > it > >>>> pretty much all the time, just louder when the engine is cold. I take > > it > >>>> easy on the engine when it's cold, letting it warm up before driving. > >>>> > >>> > >>> I've got 240,000km on my 1998 DX Engine which has been used hard (in > > city > >>> delivery, redlines and hustling at 170km/hr across the city is norm). My > > car > >>> doesn't exhibit any piston slap issue (even in the winter), In fact it > > has a > >>> smoother startup then my wife's 2000 DX Engine (and that engine only has > >>> 70,000km on it). There's two things I can attribute to the favorable > >>> results, one being the life time use of Mobil-1 oil (started at > > 30,000km) > >>> and letting the engine warm up before going hard on it. I recently > > switched > >>> my wife's car to Mobil-1 0w20 and she's seen drastic improvements in > > fuel > >>> economy as a result. It might be worthwhile to switch to the synthetic > > oil, > >>> which helps with lubrication during cold startup (and flows better which > > is > >>> an extra insurance if the problem is an actual engine defect). If you do > >>> decide to go synthetic, let us know if it reduces the noise level of the > >>> 'piston slap'. > >>> > >>> Pars > >>> > >>> > >> > >> My '96 Odyssey started the "slap" at about 40,000 miles. It was always > >> treated to Mobil-1 oil changes at 3000 mile intervals. We were religious > >> about proper warm up, etc. I don't think the oil makes any difference. > >> Some of them do it and some of them don't. > >> > > > > > |
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