How is the 2005+ V6...Really.....

My Names Nobody wrote:
> "Mrs Ken Ehrett" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:57:57 -0600, ".boB"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>Josh Thelmack wrote:
> >>> ".boB" > wrote in message
> >>> . com...
> >>>
> >>>>Steve Gerbino wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>I'm shopping!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So my question is, how good of a performer is the V6 in the "fun to
> >>>>>drive"
> >>>>>category?
> >>>>>I am looking automatic/Pony which from what I usnerstand has a similar
> >>>>>suspension as the GT (rear swaybar etc)
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I rented a V6/Auto/Vert while vacationing in WA last fall. Great
> >>>> car,
> >>>>fun to drive, very comfortable. Acceleration was acceptable, but
> >>>>nothing
> >>>>to write home about.
> >>>> Fortunatly, it doesn't take much to make the V6 a good performer.
> >>>> It's
> >>>>4.0 vs. 4.6 liters. Not much. The V6 is "detuned" a little from the
> >>>>V8.
> >>>>Ford doesn't want the two to compete in the performance market. But a
> >>>>few
> >>>>simple bolt ons and a computer reprogram, and the performance would be
> >>>>pretty good.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> whot kind of bolt ons ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Just simple stuff - headers, GT exhaust, cold air intake. I know
> >> the stock GT
> >>exhaust system will directly bolt in there. And you see them on e-bay
> >>pretty cheap.
> >> They add a bit of power and a better sound.
> >> If you really want to get some performance, bolt on a blower.
> >> Especially if you
> >>live at high altitude.
> >
> > By the time you do all that you've passed the cost of buying a GT.
> >
> >
>
> To say nothing of voiding the warranty on your new car.
> And just imagine how much more power you would have if you did that to the
> GT...

Nothing voids your entire warranty... just what part they can show was
caused by your aftermarket parts... Some dealerships are jerks... some
are very cool... mine was very cool... I had my TPS replace under
warranty even though my N20 kit was hooked up to it! In plain sight!
And I still had the numbers from the track on the windshield and my
helmet in the back seat! LOL!

Warrantys are important.. but I think some people put to much emphasis
on them... do you get rid of your car as soon as it's out of
warranty????

..boB wrote:
> Besides, I thought it would be fun to have a hot rod V6. Take it to the drag
> strip and smoke the new GT's Imagine them looking over at you and saying, "Oh,
> that's just a wimpy V6/auto." Nothing like a little stealthy power.
>

Trust me, it is! LOL! Funny... I show up at the track and everyone
walks past and doesn't give me a second thought since i'm obviously a
V6.. no fogs and single exhaust... then I make a pass and the next
thing you know everyone comes over and wants to know what's under my
hood! LOL!!!

Same thing happens around town... come up from behind me... see the
single exhaust and think "AH! A V6.. easy target!" Seems my muffler
drowns out the Vortech's whistle or they don't listen for it... either
way they're usally pretty shocked when they get spanked... LOL!

Was at a local car show 2 weeks ago.. Guy comes up to me... "I've heard
stories about this car... it's a V6 and it goes like Hell!" LOL!

"John S." > wrote in message
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>
> My Names Nobody wrote:
>> "Mrs Ken Ehrett" > wrote in message
>> > By the time you do all that you've passed the cost of buying a GT.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> To say nothing of voiding the warranty on your new car.
>> And just imagine how much more power you would have if you did that to
>> the
>> GT...
>
> Nothing voids your entire warranty... just what part they can show was
> caused by your aftermarket parts... Some dealerships are jerks... some
> are very cool... mine was very cool... I had my TPS replace under
> warranty even though my N20 kit was hooked up to it! In plain sight!
> And I still had the numbers from the track on the windshield and my
> helmet in the back seat! LOL!
>
> Warrantys are important.. but I think some people put to much emphasis
> on them... do you get rid of your car as soon as it's out of
> warranty????
>

Irrelevant, for instance the turbo diesel engine and transmission in my 2005
Superduty's replacement cost far exceed $20,000, it carries a 100,000 mile
warranty. My dealer's service manager too USED to be vary liberal with his
warranty work, he is even a authorized Banks dealer (he was installing Banks
kits on new vehicles). Then Ford started overriding his warranty approvals,
now if you make modifications, you get a denial right off the bat, and it's
an uphill battle from there.

Besides, if you can afford to blow up your new cars engine, all while
voiding your warranty, you could certainly afford to buy and insure the V-8
GT.

Yes Warranty's are very important, and valuable

The relevant thing here is most people would like to keep their new car
warranty valid for the full term of the warranty.

My Names Nobody wrote:
> "John S." > wrote in message
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> >
> > My Names Nobody wrote:
> >> "Mrs Ken Ehrett" > wrote in message
> >> > By the time you do all that you've passed the cost of buying a GT.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> To say nothing of voiding the warranty on your new car.
> >> And just imagine how much more power you would have if you did that to
> >> the
> >> GT...
> >
> > Nothing voids your entire warranty... just what part they can show was
> > caused by your aftermarket parts... Some dealerships are jerks... some
> > are very cool... mine was very cool... I had my TPS replace under
> > warranty even though my N20 kit was hooked up to it! In plain sight!
> > And I still had the numbers from the track on the windshield and my
> > helmet in the back seat! LOL!
> >
> > Warrantys are important.. but I think some people put to much emphasis
> > on them... do you get rid of your car as soon as it's out of
> > warranty????
> >
>
> Irrelevant, for instance the turbo diesel engine and transmission in my 2005
> Superduty's replacement cost far exceed $20,000, it carries a 100,000 mile
> warranty. My dealer's service manager too USED to be vary liberal with his
> warranty work, he is even a authorized Banks dealer (he was installing Banks
> kits on new vehicles). Then Ford started overriding his warranty approvals,
> now if you make modifications, you get a denial right off the bat, and it's
> an uphill battle from there.
>
> Besides, if you can afford to blow up your new cars engine, all while
> voiding your warranty, you could certainly afford to buy and insure the V-8
> GT.
>
> Yes Warranty's are very important, and valuable
>
> The relevant thing here is most people would like to keep their new car
> warranty valid for the full term of the warranty.

The beauty of the blown motor is we'll have a "spare" motor to rebuild
this winter... We picked up a used 4.0L motor with less than 10,000
miles on it for a whopping $900!!! LOL!

Hell, I could have afforded to by TWO GT's if I really wanted to! As I
mentioned before I bought the V6 on principal... I would rather spend a
few thousand dollars building up my V6 than give the dealership one
extra penny just because they happen to have a GT in stock!

So the guys that have blown their motors in their GT's... I guess they
should have waited and bought a GT500???? LOL

"John S." > wrote in message
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> My Names Nobody wrote:
>> "John S." > wrote in message
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>> >
>> > My Names Nobody wrote:
>> >> "Mrs Ken Ehrett" > wrote in message
>> >> > By the time you do all that you've passed the cost of buying a GT.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> To say nothing of voiding the warranty on your new car.
>> >> And just imagine how much more power you would have if you did that to
>> >> the
>> >> GT...
>> >
>> > Nothing voids your entire warranty... just what part they can show was
>> > caused by your aftermarket parts... Some dealerships are jerks... some
>> > are very cool... mine was very cool... I had my TPS replace under
>> > warranty even though my N20 kit was hooked up to it! In plain sight!
>> > And I still had the numbers from the track on the windshield and my
>> > helmet in the back seat! LOL!
>> >
>> > Warrantys are important.. but I think some people put to much emphasis
>> > on them... do you get rid of your car as soon as it's out of
>> > warranty????
>> >
>>
>> Irrelevant, for instance the turbo diesel engine and transmission in my
>> 2005
>> Superduty's replacement cost far exceed $20,000, it carries a 100,000
>> mile
>> warranty. My dealer's service manager too USED to be vary liberal with
>> his
>> warranty work, he is even a authorized Banks dealer (he was installing
>> Banks
>> kits on new vehicles). Then Ford started overriding his warranty
>> approvals,
>> now if you make modifications, you get a denial right off the bat, and
>> it's
>> an uphill battle from there.
>>
>> Besides, if you can afford to blow up your new cars engine, all while
>> voiding your warranty, you could certainly afford to buy and insure the
>> V-8
>> GT.
>>
>> Yes Warranty's are very important, and valuable
>>
>> The relevant thing here is most people would like to keep their new car
>> warranty valid for the full term of the warranty.
>
> The beauty of the blown motor is we'll have a "spare" motor to rebuild
> this winter... We picked up a used 4.0L motor with less than 10,000
> miles on it for a whopping $900!!! LOL!
>
> Hell, I could have afforded to by TWO GT's if I really wanted to! As I
> mentioned before I bought the V6 on principal... I would rather spend a
> few thousand dollars building up my V6 than give the dealership one
> extra penny just because they happen to have a GT in stock!
>
> So the guys that have blown their motors in their GT's... I guess they
> should have waited and bought a GT500???? LOL
>

If you prefer half-assed hot rods to factory engineering, that's your thing,
so be it, but it is not cheaper, better or more reliable. If you exceed the
design specifications of any parts you are going to break them, if you like
doing that, have at it. I think it is foolish and a waste of money.

My Names Nobody wrote:
If you prefer half-assed hot rods to factory engineering, that's your thing,
> so be it, but it is not cheaper, better or more reliable. If you exceed the
> design specifications of any parts you are going to break them, if you like
> doing that, have at it. I think it is foolish and a waste of money.
>
>
>

In my day, we drove what they gave us. And we LIKED it that way!

Not much of a hot rodder, are you Mr. Nobody?
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1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

".boB" > wrote in message
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> My Names Nobody wrote:
> If you prefer half-assed hot rods to factory engineering, that's your
> thing,
>> so be it, but it is not cheaper, better or more reliable. If you exceed
>> the design specifications of any parts you are going to break them, if
>> you like doing that, have at it. I think it is foolish and a waste of
>> money.
>>
>>
>>
>
> In my day, we drove what they gave us. And we LIKED it that way!
>
> Not much of a hot rodder, are you Mr. Nobody?

On the contrary, Mr. .boB
I've done more hot rodding than most, converted automatic cars into manuals,
put engines in cars that they never came in, converted from carburetor to
EFI, modified rear-end housings, put a 671 blower on a 351 Cleveland
(without a kit) and finally got it right, (My cousin still has the car), and
blown up and repaired/replace more engines transmissions and rear-ends than
I can count. What I learned from all that, is it is damn near impossible to
backyard engineer better than factory engineering!

Insisting that you can buy a new V-6 Mustang and have it out perform and V-8
GT for less money without addressing the warranty and reliability issues is
disingenuous, besides, it is foolish to *******ize a brand new car.



> --
> .boB
> Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red.
> 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver
> 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>

My Names Nobody wrote:
> If you prefer half-assed hot rods to factory engineering, that's your thing,
> so be it, but it is not cheaper, better or more reliable. If you exceed the
> design specifications of any parts you are going to break them, if you like
> doing that, have at it. I think it is foolish and a waste of money.

LOL! Factory engineering... I have enough friends in the automotive
engineering field that will tell you "factory" engineering means a bean
counter watching over your shoulder to make sure you keep the cost to a
minumum!!! Factory engineering has nothing to do with better or more
reliable (as long as it makes it through the basic warranty period!
LOL!)... it has to do with the bottom line! $$$$$...

How many people in this group keep their Mustang 100% stock? How many
take their car to the dealership for EVERYTHING? Oil changes, air
filters, brakes, mufflers?????

Stock does not automatically mean better!

As far as half-assed... I'll assume that was directed at my car... LOL!
When was the last time a national publication did a feature on your
car? Hmmmm.... How many car shows have you won? Got any time slips
from the track?

The fact is there is room for improvement from the factory... If
you're happy with your car, that's wonderful! Good for you...
Personally I view working on my car as a hobby and chose to spend my
money on it... Nothing foolish about it... it's a very satisfying
hobby at that! LOL!

My Names Nobody wrote:
<SNIP>
> What I learned from all that, is it is damn near impossible to
> backyard engineer better than factory engineering!
>
> Insisting that you can buy a new V-6 Mustang and have it out perform and V-8
> GT for less money without addressing the warranty and reliability issues is
> disingenuous, besides, it is foolish to *******ize a brand new car.
>

Who said anything about "backyard" engineering? We are talking well
engineered package from Vortech (or other reputable company). My
engineer buddies (from Ford btw...) were very impressed with the
Vortech setup! Nothing '*******ized" about it at all... Running the
standard Vortech kit should really not affect the car reliability... if
you start pushing things by swapping pulleys or screwing with the
tune.. then yes, you run the risk of a problem... But if you use the
kit as designed there should be no issue... heck, the Shelby CS6 (V6)
does in fact come with a warranty! They are using the Paxton kit which
is really a rebadged Vortech! I suppose the guys at Shelby are a bunch
of backyard hick engineers! LOL!

Again.. the prices difference between my V6 and what a GT would have
cost me was $8000... again... I will not argue that point... it was
$8K.. period! Spend $5000 on the V6 and it will out peform a stock
GT... and be VERY RELIABLE! Take the extra $3000 and invest it...
Consider that your warranty! A perfectly good, lightly used 4.0L can
be had for under $1000!

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"John S." > wrote in message
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>
> My Names Nobody wrote:
> <SNIP>
>> What I learned from all that, is it is damn near impossible to
>> backyard engineer better than factory engineering!
>>
>> Insisting that you can buy a new V-6 Mustang and have it out perform and
>> V-8
>> GT for less money without addressing the warranty and reliability issues
>> is
>> disingenuous, besides, it is foolish to *******ize a brand new car.
>>
>
> Who said anything about "backyard" engineering? We are talking well
> engineered package from Vortech (or other reputable company). My
> engineer buddies (from Ford btw...) were very impressed with the
> Vortech setup! Nothing '*******ized" about it at all... Running the
> standard Vortech kit should really not affect the car reliability... if
> you start pushing things by swapping pulleys or screwing with the
> tune.. then yes, you run the risk of a problem... But if you use the
> kit as designed there should be no issue... heck, the Shelby CS6 (V6)
> does in fact come with a warranty! They are using the Paxton kit which
> is really a rebadged Vortech! I suppose the guys at Shelby are a bunch
> of backyard hick engineers! LOL!


Are you really that thick? How did you blow up you first engine?
"Backyard" engineering wasn't it?


>
> Again.. the prices difference between my V6 and what a GT would have
> cost me was $8000... again... I will not argue that point...

Yet you still keep trying too... LMFAO

it was
> $8K.. period! Spend $5000 on the V6 and it will out peform a stock
> GT... and be VERY RELIABLE! Take the extra $3000 and invest it...
> Consider that your warranty! A perfectly good, lightly used 4.0L can
> be had for under $1000!
>