Accord coupe - washer fluid container

"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ...
> loewent via CarKB.com wrote:
>> my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug that
>> accomodates 4L (just over 1 gallon) no problem.
>
> The Owner's Manual for my 2003 Accord Sedan lists the windshield washer
> reservoir's capacity as 2.5l for the US model and 4.5l for the Canadian
> model. Does anyone know if the Canadian reservoir would fit a US model?

That is funny, because I could fit much more than 2.5L to my 2004 coupe (US).
My user manual also lists 2.6 US quarts / 2.5 liter. What is going on ?

"Elle" > wrote in message ...
> "Pszemol" > wrote
>> To be honest I am going to find this sender unit on some
>> Canadian autoparts site and outfit it in my USA version
>> :-)
>> I hope necessary harness is there to give the signal to
>> the light on the dashboard... If successful I promisse
>> to come back here and describe this mod for anybody
>> wanting to do the same.
>
> No thanks. I can tell a non-engineer, non-technician when
> I see him.

Any problems at work or at home?
Can we help you somehow to improve your self esteem??

"Tony Harding" > wrote in message ...
> Pszemol wrote:
>> "Bob Jones" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows.
>>
>> I would prefer to have a choice: pour whole bottle
>> or leave couple of drops on the bottom for cleaning.
>>
>> I know it is a small think, really a detail, but
>> it is showing that Honda does not care about details.
>
> Absolutely not - you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. Just
> because the windshield washer reservoir doesn't hold a full gallon
> doesn't make it a design flaw or reflect that Honda doesn't care about
> details.

.... in your humble opinion.
I my - also humble opinion - it does make it a design flaw.

> Give it a rest, please, OK?

I am sure your newsreader has 'ignore thread' feature.
Use it when not interested instead telling me what to do.

"Dick" > wrote in message ...
> Worrying about how much the washer fluid container held would be
> about number 689 on my list of things to be concerned about.

And you probably think everybody is the same as you? :-)

"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in message
...
> Dude...I have read every response up to today, so I am going back and
> responding to your original post:
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in
>> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the
>> store when the washer nozzles stopped delivering fluid.
>> Poured the bottle but before the bottle was empty
>> the container in the car was full and overflowing.
>> 2-3 inches of the fluid left unused in the bottle.
>>
>> Is this what you get? Or my pump is not sucking all
>> the fluid from the container?
>>
>> Why would you design a car with a washer fluid
>> container just smaller than the widely available
>> container the fluid is sold in the stores?
>>
>> Would you consider it as a bad design?
>
> The 2004 Accord should have about a 2.5L reservoir, or 2.6 US quarts. The
> Japanese do things using the metric system. The conversions result in
> weird numbers here in the US, as you see.
>
> So a 2.5L reservoir comes out to .65 gallons, so thats why there's .35
> gallons left over fluid using a 1 gallon jug.
>
> Canada DOES use the metric system, and they also use a 4.5L reservoir WITH
> a low level indicator on the dash panel.
>
> And if you took an American 1 gallon jug to Canada and tried to put it in
> their Accord, it would readily fit ALL of the jug...since 1 gallon is
> about 3.8L.
>
> Now...your question is about "bad design".
>
> Hmmm..interesting question the more I think about it.
>
> I think it would be nice as hell to have a larger reservoir, but we don't.
> As far as I can see, the wiper fluid reservoir is the only thing that is
> larger in the Accord capacity wise in Canadian models..all other fluid
> capacities seem to be the same.
>
> So something has made the Canadian models have a larger windshield fluid
> reservoir...like getting towards twice as large.
>
> The real question then becomes WHY?
>
> Canadians sell 4L jugs of windshield wiper fluid...so that will obviously
> fit completely in a 4.5L reservoir.
>
> A 1 gallon US jug of wiper fluid also fit completely in a 4.5L reservoir.
>
> A 4L Canadian jug will not fit a USA capacity, obviously.
>
> So a Canadian Accord WILL take both a 1 gallon USA and a Canadian 4L jug.
>
> An American Accord can't gulp the whole bottle down of with USA or
> Canadian commercially available windshield wiper fluids.
>
> Ain't that a bitch?!
>
> So...well....yeah..I guess you could look at it as a design flaw....or an
> optional windshield wiper reservoir oversite...
>
> Now I want to know WHY the US model is so much smaller...maybe because we
> don't use it as much as in Canada where the roads are terrible and the
> windshields of Canadian cars on the highways can get so dirty and
> dangerous that there needs to be more because Canadians use the stuff all
> the time?
>
> Is it smaller in USA models because of something in the engine compartment
> that US models have that restricts the 4.5L reservoir?
>
> Is it because in USA we can check more often our fluids when we fill up
> the gas, as our manuals suggest?
>
> Do Americans like being psyched out to thing they are getting their
> money's worth in a 1 gallon jug because we have more left over even when
> we fill our reservoir to max?
>
> That should get some people talking....
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer
reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same
arguement as, why doesn't an engine use a round quart of oil? Why would it
be 4.5 quarts, 5.2 quarts, etc. Is it a bad engine design? Nah. We just
need to redefine the volume of a U.S. gallon and a U.S. quart...

-Dave

Canadians also pay 15-20% more for the same vehicle than you lucky basts in
the US... maybe this is Honda's way of saying sorry... HA!

t

Polfus wrote:
>>> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time
>>> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-)
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the
>> design of the '04 required a smaller reservoir.
>
>Yes..Canadian models have a larger reservoir than US models...4.5L whereas
>we have a 2.5L here in USA.
>
>A 1 gallon jug equates to 3.8L or so, so a 1 gallon jug will readily go into
>your Accord.
>
>In USA, a 2.5L reservoir comes out to .65 gallons, so thats why the thread
>we now participate in....there's .35 gallons left over fluid using a 1
>gallon jug here in USA on a car designed using metric system in Japan and
>that upset the original poster who thinks its a design flaw, even though it
>may be just the way it works out here in USA since we STILL have not gotten
>a grip on the metric system, or Americans just refuse to...but thats a whole
>other thread.
>
>Peace,
>Polfus

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Pszemol wrote:
> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in
> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the
> store when the washer nozzles stopped delivering fluid.
> Poured the bottle but before the bottle was empty
> the container in the car was full and overflowing.
> 2-3 inches of the fluid left unused in the bottle.
>
> Is this what you get? Or my pump is not sucking all
> the fluid from the container?
>
> Why would you design a car with a washer fluid
> container just smaller than the widely available
> container the fluid is sold in the stores?
>
> Would you consider it as a bad design?

If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so (or
at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of it.
It's certainly not unique to the '04 Accord, or any Accord, or any
Honda, or any Japanese car, for that matter.

I always thought it would be a good idea if, instead of putting a
reservoir in the car, the manufacturers just included a "pocket" where
you could drop the bottle itself in, and screw on a cap with integral
pump and pickup hose(s).

Pszemol wrote:
> "Tony Harding" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pszemol wrote:
>>> "Bob Jones" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows.
>>>
>>> I would prefer to have a choice: pour whole bottle
>>> or leave couple of drops on the bottom for cleaning.
>>>
>>> I know it is a small think, really a detail, but
>>> it is showing that Honda does not care about details.
>>
>> Absolutely not - you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. Just
>> because the windshield washer reservoir doesn't hold a full gallon
>> doesn't make it a design flaw or reflect that Honda doesn't care about
>> details.
>
> ... in your humble opinion.
> I my - also humble opinion - it does make it a design flaw.

The difference is you are wrong.

Dave L wrote:

<snip>

> About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer
> reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same
> arguement as, why doesn't an engine use a round quart of oil? Why would it
> be 4.5 quarts, 5.2 quarts, etc. Is it a bad engine design? Nah. We just
> need to redefine the volume of a U.S. gallon and a U.S. quart...

How about catching up to the rest of the world and using the metric
system? It's mostly just the public who still use feet, pounds, etc.,
any company who wants to operate internationally converted to metric
years ago, I think the military uses it, as does the medical profession,
etc., etc.

Matt Ion wrote:
> Pszemol wrote:
>> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in
>> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the
>> store when the washer nozzles stopped delivering fluid.
>> Poured the bottle but before the bottle was empty
>> the container in the car was full and overflowing.
>> 2-3 inches of the fluid left unused in the bottle.
>>
>> Is this what you get? Or my pump is not sucking all
>> the fluid from the container?
>>
>> Why would you design a car with a washer fluid
>> container just smaller than the widely available
>> container the fluid is sold in the stores?
>>
>> Would you consider it as a bad design?
>
> If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so (or
> at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of it. It's
> certainly not unique to the '04 Accord, or any Accord, or any Honda, or
> any Japanese car, for that matter.
>
> I always thought it would be a good idea if, instead of putting a
> reservoir in the car, the manufacturers just included a "pocket" where
> you could drop the bottle itself in, and screw on a cap with integral
> pump and pickup hose(s).

And what's the story with round bologna and square bread? I smell a
class action law suit.