What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

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says...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway
>

What you are looking for is any of the ones you already had, but better
tires and/or chains.
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"Christopher Grenness" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway

Try this one.. seven seats at least.. enough room for groceries.. no rework
required for deep snow.. http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/

"Christopher Grenness" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway

Try this one.. seven seats at least.. enough room for groceries.. no rework
required for deep snow.. http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Jeep Rubicon.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
Yo Mike.. this one has to appeal to your wife.. looks like a house.. built
like a house.. all it needs is a pitched tin roof and bathroom..
http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Jeep Rubicon.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
Yo Mike.. this one has to appeal to your wife.. looks like a house.. built
like a house.. all it needs is a pitched tin roof and bathroom..
http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/

Erik-Jan Geniets > wrote in
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>
>
> Christopher Grenness wrote:
>>
>
>> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
>> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
>> sure.
>
> As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
> t-case.

No, that only applies to the first 'utility' generation, which was never sold
in the USA....)

> Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
> factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.

Yes, lockers, though optional at least in the early years I *think*.

> Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.

They make steering difficult on any surface (ranging from center to rear to
front lock), but deep snow is not the worst of those surfaces....)


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Erik-Jan Geniets > wrote in
:

>
>
> Christopher Grenness wrote:
>>
>
>> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
>> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
>> sure.
>
> As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
> t-case.

No, that only applies to the first 'utility' generation, which was never sold
in the USA....)

> Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
> factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.

Yes, lockers, though optional at least in the early years I *think*.

> Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.

They make steering difficult on any surface (ranging from center to rear to
front lock), but deep snow is not the worst of those surfaces....)


--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand

>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]

(Christopher Grenness) wrote in message . com>...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway

Something with lockers(may affect handling but 4 tires moving are
better than two), low range in the transfer case, descent differential
clearance, and semi agressive tires(the wider the better). You want to
float on the snow not dig in. Someone mentioned a Jeep Rubicon, a good
choice if it's sold in Oslo.
Mike.

(Christopher Grenness) wrote in message . com>...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway

Something with lockers(may affect handling but 4 tires moving are
better than two), low range in the transfer case, descent differential
clearance, and semi agressive tires(the wider the better). You want to
float on the snow not dig in. Someone mentioned a Jeep Rubicon, a good
choice if it's sold in Oslo.
Mike.

A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in 4WD. This is
BAD information!

The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a FULL TIME
4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!

I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you expect, its
ICE!!!

I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the best tire you
can get for snow and ice.


>yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow effectively,
>things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires, number 2
>aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto tranny in
4wd
>situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a limited slip
>rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i find a lot
>of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow and slush
>with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper setup
>makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i have
>all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny with a
>granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i have
>yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of yet, and
>we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers, last year
a
>3 footer + , no problems!
>
>
>79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
>
>00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
>
>98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
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