This Oughta Push Brently Over The Edge

In article >, Spike wrote:


>>1) My logic is just fine provided one actually understands the background
>>material.

> All the logic and theory in the world won't make reality and human
> nature any different.

Human nature is that the vast majority of people drive a safe and
reasonable speed regardless of what is on the sign. That has been shown
again and again, study after study. You were pointed to them, but like a
horse led to water you can't be forced to drink.

>>2) Since you admittedly don't read my posts in full, it's not my logic
>>that is dysfunctional but rather your reading and comprehension.

> Your logic may be just fine in an altered state of reality.

It's not my fault you choose to be ignorant.

> However,
> most people drive in this reality because they realize this is the one
> they have to function in. There are far more important things to
> them... like paying the mortgage, feeding families, having their loved
> ones come home in one piece....

Apathy. But at least you admit the system is just lived with now,
implying that it isn't right. That's progress.

>>My problems? They are everyone's problems. You just choose to give into
>>apathy and ignore them. Don't worry, the results of your apathy will
>>probably come to bite you all in the ass soon enough.

> Judging by the responses, less people agree with you than you seem to
> think.

Now it's a popularity contest? I'll just cross post this over to
rec.autos.driving then.

> So, perhaps it isn't "everyone's problems". Perhaps you are
> spitting into the wind instead of with the wind. What you consider
> apathy could just be the majority's reality. Doesn't make them sheep.
> Just means they accept what is reasonable intrusion. Then again, maybe
> it is apathy because the majority of people think it is just too
> insignificant to worry about, and leave such worries to the Don
> Quixotes who need their windmills.

How is being fined for normal, reasonable behavior a reasonable
intrusion? Or do you just count on the cop not picking you, because you
are x,y,z or have a badge or whatever?

I think hundreds if not thousands of dollars would be signficant to a
great number of people in this nation. Just think, if they weren't pulled
from the pack by armed employee of the government and forced to fork over
a couple hundred bucks maybe it would be easier to make the mortgage
payment that month. Of course they could always drive a couple standard
deviations slower than the mean and take the increased risk of collision
involvement.... but if they lose that gamble it could be a lot more than
a couple hundred bucks.

In article >, Brent P
> wrote:

> In article >, CobraJet wrote:
> > In article >, Brent P
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >, CobraJet wrote:
> >>
> >> > It's not just *some* IL plates, it's all of them.
> >>
> >> And you know the local constabulary would target them just as they know.
> >> IL plates, down south....
> >
> > Huh?
>
> Not only is it well known that out of state plates make one a target for
> being singled out, throw the northern in a southern state + stereotype
> southern cop and speed trap town.....

So what does a sterotype Southern cop have to with Arizona? See, you
ASSumed something wrong, instead of just asking me where I was.

>
> >> > No, I've seen the
> >> > typical Chicago driver whilst in front of McCormick Place one time. He
> >> > decided to parallel park his 17-foot car into a 15-foot space, and
> >> > proceeded to non-chalantly bash both other cars until his fit, in front
> >> > of at least 100 people.
> >>
> >> Now think about driving 55mph in front of this guy when the flow is
> >> 75mph.
>
> > I have discovered over the past few years that driving a car that
> > says "Police Interceptor" on the back not only keeps the wackos at bay,
> > but Johnny Law doesn't "see" you very well, either. Maybe it's the
> > right car for you.
>
> I don't like land barges. But that is simply irrelevant. But I do notice
> you're concerned about cops seeing you, maybe you should just obey the
> law? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to practice what you preach.

I never preached that you should obey the law. I merely pointed out
the difference between taxation and fines, the reason that police
agnecies need sufficient revenues to conduct business, and proper
procedure when being pulled over.

>
> >> >> > and during the summer I drive 10-15 over the
> >> >> > limit like the rest of the locals.
> >>
> >> >> So much for 'the law is the law' and not just doing what everyone else
> >> >> does.
> >>
> >> > Did I say I obeyed the prima facie limit? Hell no.
> >>
> >> Oh... now the 85th percentile method is valid..... So you've just been
> >> full of **** entirely.
>
> > You mistake me for someone who bothered to read all that crap.
>
> So it's even worse... you felt free to spew insults and you never even
> knew what I had written. That's just plain stupid.

Uh, who was it that was spewing insults? Go back and see that it was
YOU. Nowhere did I ever have anything to say about the validity or
accuracy of posted speed limits. Nowhere. You are confused.

(snip)

>
> 1) My logic is just fine provided one actually understands the background
> material.

I guess you're the only one that understands it. You must be proud.

>
> 2) Since you admittedly don't read my posts in full, it's not my logic
> that is dysfunctional but rather your reading and comprehension.

OK, here it is in a nutshell. As a paranoid schizophrenic, you lump
everyone with opposing views (which *is* everyone) into your own
strictly defined category. In this case, it's "Pro Police". You ASSumed
that because I brought up a couple points about "revenue" and procedure
that I tow the agenda all the way down the line. I never said that, but
it makes it easier for your paranoid side to deal with. I never said a
word about obeying speed limits, but you automatically ASSumed I was in
on this 85th percentile **** and was therefore a hypocrite as a "Pro
Police" person. You are, predictably, having trouble distinguishing one
'adversary" from the next.

Worse yet, you are incapable of understanding that the majority of
people cannot be jammed into convenient categories. The best example
are the politics freaks, who have to label others as Democrat or
Republican, right or left, or whatever. Then it becomes easier to jump
up and down and point fingers at imagined "transgressions", as that
person is "supposed to" think and act per the book. Wrong; oh so wrong.
It ain't black and white, Brently. It's all shades of gray. The
non-sheep will examine each topic individually and form his or her own
opinion regardless of what he or she is "supposed" to think.

You like to think you are a smart guy. But it's just a jumble in
your head. When so many people tell you in one way or another that you
are dysfunctional, don't you think you should spend some real time
figuring out why?

>
> My problems? They are everyone's problems. You just choose to give into
> apathy and ignore them. Don't worry, the results of your apathy will
> probably come to bite you all in the ass soon enough.

Well, Doomsday predictions are another manifestation of the
paranoid, unfortunately. Following through, the inability of our
populace to undo a well-orchestrated system designed by the people who
run this country can be viewed as universal apathy. If that's the case,
we're ALL ****ed. Me. You. What bites me in the ass will bite the rest
of our society (providing I still live here at the time). Most of us
know things are not rosey all over. What can we do? If you look around,
you'll see that countries that try to reverse the program are
devastated by civil war. Death. Poverty. And usually for nothing, as
the new Lord of the Flies becomes the same as the old Lord of the
Flies.

Face it, we don't own this country, and never will.

What's the answer, Brently? Well, for me, the best way to thumb my
nose at the oppression is to concentrate on living the rest of my life
doing things that put a smile on my face. If you die bitter (and YOU
will), then "they" have won.

Wipe the sand off your face and focus.

Have a nice week. Chill.

--
CobraJet

In article >, CobraJet wrote:

>> Not only is it well known that out of state plates make one a target for
>> being singled out, throw the northern in a southern state + stereotype
>> southern cop and speed trap town.....

> So what does a sterotype Southern cop have to with Arizona? See, you
> ASSumed something wrong, instead of just asking me where I was.

similiar stereotype... small town speed trap nonsense The western
stereotype is no different. BTW, how does your 15 over work with the
speed cameras in your state? they just go by the posted limit, no need
to prove it was unsafe.

> I never preached that you should obey the law.

Came close enough to it.

> I merely pointed out
> the difference between taxation and fines, the reason that police
> agnecies need sufficient revenues to conduct business, and proper
> procedure when being pulled over.

You didn't merely do that... you did quite a bit more.
The way to have revenue to run a police department is through taxation.
That makes fines for normal and reasonable behavior effective taxes. I
pointed that out to you earlier.

>> > You mistake me for someone who bothered to read all that crap.

>> So it's even worse... you felt free to spew insults and you never even
>> knew what I had written. That's just plain stupid.

> Uh, who was it that was spewing insults? Go back and see that it was
> YOU. Nowhere did I ever have anything to say about the validity or
> accuracy of posted speed limits. Nowhere. You are confused.

Your posts were extremely insulting. But as usual, a little bit of your
own in return and you whine. And that is true, you just wrote insulting
posts attacking me without having even bothered with the subject matter.
That's just stupid.

>> 1) My logic is just fine provided one actually understands the background
>> material.

> I guess you're the only one that understands it. You must be proud.

Guess you weren't paying attention when others tried to explain it to
you as well. It's not my fault you cannot comprehend it or are too lazy
to try.

>> 2) Since you admittedly don't read my posts in full, it's not my logic
>> that is dysfunctional but rather your reading and comprehension.

> OK, here it is in a nutshell. As a paranoid schizophrenic, you lump
> everyone with opposing views (which *is* everyone) into your own
> strictly defined category. In this case, it's "Pro Police".

Here he goes again with the insults.... No I haven't called you pro
police, not once, nor created any such group and you have no evidence of
it beyond your own delusions.

> You ASSumed
> that because I brought up a couple points about "revenue" and procedure
> that I tow the agenda all the way down the line.

Nope. Those were separate points and addressed separately.

> I never said that, but
> it makes it easier for your paranoid side to deal with. I never said a
> word about obeying speed limits, but you automatically ASSumed I was in
> on this 85th percentile **** and was therefore a hypocrite as a "Pro
> Police" person. You are, predictably, having trouble distinguishing one
> 'adversary" from the next.

I'll just let your text speak.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...90865a3?hl=en&
-> Matter of fact, the "roadside revenue" that
-> you complain endlessly about is one of the *only* payouts that you can
-> actually avoid by your own actions.
->
-> If you are feeling overwhelmed by American society, I suggest
-> seriously looking into residing elsewhere. You will not be alone. There
-> are enclaves of former Americans all over the place. These days, the
-> Internet helps diffuse much of the homesickness.
->
-> Or, you could get retribution for being submissive to authority and
-> kill the next cop that pulls you over. Then, if you are still alive the
-> next day, you will find that you will be rewarded with that "free"
-> living you crave so much. Free meals. Free exercise time. Free showers
-> (don't drop the soap). For the rest of your life. ****, how cool is it
-> that fines levied on against speeders will pay for your very own cell?0
->
-> Sounds really good, doesn't it, Brent? Really, really good. What are
-> you waiting for?

And again...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...44d31e6?hl=en&
and again...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...657ccc8?hl=en&

You message to just live with the system and obey it is quite clearly
stated. In fact you repeat a portion of it below.

> Worse yet, you are incapable of understanding that the majority of
> people cannot be jammed into convenient categories.

I understand it quite well and haven't. But hey, you keep wanting to make
this about me instead of speed limits or any of the initial topic. I find
that interesting.

> The best example
> are the politics freaks, who have to label others as Democrat or
> Republican, right or left, or whatever. Then it becomes easier to jump
> up and down and point fingers at imagined "transgressions", as that
> person is "supposed to" think and act per the book. Wrong; oh so wrong.

Now using that as an example really is a display of your stupidity in
commenting on things you haven't been paying attention to. Now go to
google, you'll find posts going back _YEARS_ where I mention that very
thing showing I understand group lumping very well.

> It ain't black and white, Brently. It's all shades of gray. The
> non-sheep will examine each topic individually and form his or her own
> opinion regardless of what he or she is "supposed" to think.

And I have. While you spew 'love it or leave it', I've examined the
issues.

> You like to think you are a smart guy. But it's just a jumble in
> your head. When so many people tell you in one way or another that you
> are dysfunctional, don't you think you should spend some real time
> figuring out why?

Let's see... I clearly state an argument, support it with research, and
then you and others insult me, attack me, call me 'dysfunctional', rather
than address the point at hand.

Gee... wonder why that is. Instead of attacking me, how about staying on
topic and showing me wrong?

>> My problems? They are everyone's problem. You just choose to give into
>> apathy and ignore them. Don't worry, the results of your apathy will
>> probably come to bite you all in the ass soon enough.

> Well, Doomsday predictions are another manifestation of the
> paranoid, unfortunately.

Who said anything about doomsday? I was refering to things like having
the cash for your dream mustang taken on your way to picking it up. Your
car siezed without due-process, and any host of more severe penalties
that have come into play since people don't stand up to the lesser scams.
Increment by increment it progresses. Where did it start? The good old
small down speed trap. Here's the kind of thing I meant, I'll limit
myself to ones in your state since you told me:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
"Arizona: Freeway Speed Cameras Jail Innocent Motorists
Drivers are having their licenses suspended without their knowledge
because of photo ticketing in Scottsdale, Arizona.
The proliferation of speed cameras in Arizona, particularly Scottsdale's
Loop 101 freeway camera program, has caused a significant number of
motorists to be arrested for driving on a suspended license, even though
these drivers had no idea they had ever done anything wrong in the first
place."

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1555.asp
"Arizona: Seizure Law Brings Big Cash"
"Last January, an Arizona law took effect requiring police to seize the
vehicles of individuals accused -- but not convicted -- of certain
violations. Already at least two jurisdictions are generating millions in
revenue."

That's the kind of thing I was refering to.

> Following through, the inability of our
> populace to undo a well-orchestrated system designed by the people who
> run this country can be viewed as universal apathy. If that's the case,
> we're ALL ****ed. Me. You. What bites me in the ass will bite the rest
> of our society (providing I still live here at the time). Most of us
> know things are not rosey all over. What can we do? If you look around,
> you'll see that countries that try to reverse the program are
> devastated by civil war. Death. Poverty. And usually for nothing, as
> the new Lord of the Flies becomes the same as the old Lord of the
> Flies.
> Face it, we don't own this country, and never will.

Since you mention that, you might want to become better informed on what
the 'owners' are up to, because doing nothing is going to result in death
and poverty. But that's getting far off topic, so I'll leave that as a
homework excerise for you. A good starting point is what the fed has been
doing with the money supply.

> What's the answer, Brently? Well, for me, the best way to thumb my
> nose at the oppression is to concentrate on living the rest of my life
> doing things that put a smile on my face. If you die bitter (and YOU
> will), then "they" have won.

And you talk about ASSuming things... instead of discussing topic, you
start ASSuming about me.

And what do you do when the owners seek to stamp out the things you do
that put a smile on your face? Do you stand up then? Or are you just
hoping to be dead before then?

In article >, Brent P
> wrote:

(snip)
>
> You message to just live with the system and obey it is quite clearly
> stated. In fact you repeat a portion of it below.

Nope. Living within the system and obeying it "to the letter" are
two different things altogether.

>
> > Worse yet, you are incapable of understanding that the majority of
> > people cannot be jammed into convenient categories.
>
> I understand it quite well and haven't. But hey, you keep wanting to make
> this about me instead of speed limits or any of the initial topic. I find
> that interesting.

The initial topic was the kid that killed himself in a race. I
responded with general comments and then YOU came in with your personal
experiences and gripes. Joe's right; you are a freakin' idiot.

>
> > The best example
> > are the politics freaks, who have to label others as Democrat or
> > Republican, right or left, or whatever. Then it becomes easier to jump
> > up and down and point fingers at imagined "transgressions", as that
> > person is "supposed to" think and act per the book. Wrong; oh so wrong.
>
> Now using that as an example really is a display of your stupidity in
> commenting on things you haven't been paying attention to. Now go to
> google, you'll find posts going back _YEARS_ where I mention that very
> thing showing I understand group lumping very well.

I don't waste the amount of time you do googling your ass off. I'm
looking at the here and now. Idiot.

>
> > It ain't black and white, Brently. It's all shades of gray. The
> > non-sheep will examine each topic individually and form his or her own
> > opinion regardless of what he or she is "supposed" to think.
>
> And I have. While you spew 'love it or leave it', I've examined the
> issues.

OK, so what's YOUR answer, Brent? You spend an enormous amount of
time whining about everyone else's POV. Let us hear what YOU are going
to do to make your life worth living. C'mon, smart guy, now's your
shot. Don't blow it.

>
> > You like to think you are a smart guy. But it's just a jumble in
> > your head. When so many people tell you in one way or another that you
> > are dysfunctional, don't you think you should spend some real time
> > figuring out why?
>
> Let's see... I clearly state an argument, support it with research, and
> then you and others insult me, attack me, call me 'dysfunctional', rather
> than address the point at hand.

The point is that you don't see things the same way the rest of the
humans do.

>
> Gee... wonder why that is. Instead of attacking me, how about staying on
> topic and showing me wrong?

I'm showing you as dysfunctional and a paranoid schizophrenic. You
made this topic a personal thing. So far nobody is arguing with my
evaluation of your condition.

>
> >> My problems? They are everyone's problem. You just choose to give into
> >> apathy and ignore them. Don't worry, the results of your apathy will
> >> probably come to bite you all in the ass soon enough.
>
> > Well, Doomsday predictions are another manifestation of the
> > paranoid, unfortunately.
>
> Who said anything about doomsday? I was refering to things like having
> the cash for your dream mustang taken on your way to picking it up. Your
> car siezed without due-process, and any host of more severe penalties
> that have come into play since people don't stand up to the lesser scams.
> Increment by increment it progresses. Where did it start? The good old
> small down speed trap. Here's the kind of thing I meant, I'll limit
> myself to ones in your state since you told me:
>
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
> "Arizona: Freeway Speed Cameras Jail Innocent Motorists
> Drivers are having their licenses suspended without their knowledge
> because of photo ticketing in Scottsdale, Arizona.
> The proliferation of speed cameras in Arizona, particularly Scottsdale's
> Loop 101 freeway camera program, has caused a significant number of
> motorists to be arrested for driving on a suspended license, even though
> these drivers had no idea they had ever done anything wrong in the first
> place."
>
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1555.asp
> "Arizona: Seizure Law Brings Big Cash"
> "Last January, an Arizona law took effect requiring police to seize the
> vehicles of individuals accused -- but not convicted -- of certain
> violations. Already at least two jurisdictions are generating millions in
> revenue."
>
> That's the kind of thing I was refering to.

Scottsdale is hardly a small town speed trap (and it is NOT snowbird
territory). It is within metro Phoenix and is financially and
aesthetically the Beverly Hills of Arizona. I have little doubt that at
some point the lawyers who proliferate there will shut down the cameras
on behalf of their Big Bucks clients. I have already heard chatter
about that on the radio.

However, I don't care what happens in Scottsdale. Once again, you
missed my point about defining the situation where *I* live and driving
accordingly. I know where I can goof off and where I can't. And if I
get a ticket, like I said, tough ****. I pay the token, go to traffic
school, and proceed as usual. I don't lose sleep about what happens
elsewhere. I'll let you lose the sleep.

>
> > Following through, the inability of our
> > populace to undo a well-orchestrated system designed by the people who
> > run this country can be viewed as universal apathy. If that's the case,
> > we're ALL ****ed. Me. You. What bites me in the ass will bite the rest
> > of our society (providing I still live here at the time). Most of us
> > know things are not rosey all over. What can we do? If you look around,
> > you'll see that countries that try to reverse the program are
> > devastated by civil war. Death. Poverty. And usually for nothing, as
> > the new Lord of the Flies becomes the same as the old Lord of the
> > Flies.
> > Face it, we don't own this country, and never will.
>
> Since you mention that, you might want to become better informed on what
> the 'owners' are up to, because doing nothing is going to result in death
> and poverty. But that's getting far off topic, so I'll leave that as a
> homework excerise for you. A good starting point is what the fed has been
> doing with the money supply.

Doesn't concern me. That's why my Plan B involves skipping out to
another country when the time comes.

>
> > What's the answer, Brently? Well, for me, the best way to thumb my
> > nose at the oppression is to concentrate on living the rest of my life
> > doing things that put a smile on my face. If you die bitter (and YOU
> > will), then "they" have won.
>
> And you talk about ASSuming things... instead of discussing topic, you
> start ASSuming about me.

Again, YOU are the topic.
>
> And what do you do when the owners seek to stamp out the things you do
> that put a smile on your face? Do you stand up then? Or are you just
> hoping to be dead before then?

I hope to be dead. If not, then the first few Feds that come through
my door will be scattered all over the porch, landscaping, and the
street. It's all good.

--
CobraJet

In article >, CobraJet wrote:
> In article >, Brent P
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>>
>> You message to just live with the system and obey it is quite clearly
>> stated. In fact you repeat a portion of it below.

> Nope. Living within the system and obeying it "to the letter" are
> two different things altogether.

who said anything about to the letter? Not me. that whole thing about
being in control of being revenued for speed indicates the reader should
obey if he doesn't like the game. I quoted a considerable portion of your
text that set the context of living with the system, playing the game,
and obeying where not wanting to play the game.

> The initial topic was the kid that killed himself in a race. I
> responded with general comments and then YOU came in with your personal
> experiences and gripes. Joe's right; you are a freakin' idiot.

You replied to me CJ. I made only one personal experience comment
regarding your claim on addresses being SOP, simply because it was 180
degrees different. You then went off the deep end....

>> > The best example
>> > are the politics freaks, who have to label others as Democrat or
>> > Republican, right or left, or whatever. Then it becomes easier to jump
>> > up and down and point fingers at imagined "transgressions", as that
>> > person is "supposed to" think and act per the book. Wrong; oh so wrong.

>> Now using that as an example really is a display of your stupidity in
>> commenting on things you haven't been paying attention to. Now go to
>> google, you'll find posts going back _YEARS_ where I mention that very
>> thing showing I understand group lumping very well.

> I don't waste the amount of time you do googling your ass off. I'm
> looking at the here and now. Idiot.

Talk about a complete lack of reading comprehension. You would have done
better to have not replied.

>> > It ain't black and white, Brently. It's all shades of gray. The
>> > non-sheep will examine each topic individually and form his or her own
>> > opinion regardless of what he or she is "supposed" to think.

>> And I have. While you spew 'love it or leave it', I've examined the
>> issues.

> OK, so what's YOUR answer, Brent? You spend an enormous amount of
> time whining about everyone else's POV.

Nice projection.

> Let us hear what YOU are going
> to do to make your life worth living. C'mon, smart guy, now's your
> shot. Don't blow it.

What does my personal life have to do with anything regarding the topic
at hand or anything else in this NG? Why are you so obsessed with me?

>> > You like to think you are a smart guy. But it's just a jumble in
>> > your head. When so many people tell you in one way or another that you
>> > are dysfunctional, don't you think you should spend some real time
>> > figuring out why?

>> Let's see... I clearly state an argument, support it with research, and
>> then you and others insult me, attack me, call me 'dysfunctional', rather
>> than address the point at hand.

> The point is that you don't see things the same way the rest of the
> humans do.

And again you want to make this about me.

>> Gee... wonder why that is. Instead of attacking me, how about staying on
>> topic and showing me wrong?

> I'm showing you as dysfunctional and a paranoid schizophrenic. You
> made this topic a personal thing.

holy projection batman! I did no such thing.

> So far nobody is arguing with my evaluation of your condition.

Irrelevant.

>> Who said anything about doomsday? I was refering to things like having
>> the cash for your dream mustang taken on your way to picking it up. Your
>> car siezed without due-process, and any host of more severe penalties
>> that have come into play since people don't stand up to the lesser scams.
>> Increment by increment it progresses. Where did it start? The good old
>> small down speed trap. Here's the kind of thing I meant, I'll limit
>> myself to ones in your state since you told me:
>>
>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
>> "Arizona: Freeway Speed Cameras Jail Innocent Motorists
>> Drivers are having their licenses suspended without their knowledge
>> because of photo ticketing in Scottsdale, Arizona.
>> The proliferation of speed cameras in Arizona, particularly Scottsdale's
>> Loop 101 freeway camera program, has caused a significant number of
>> motorists to be arrested for driving on a suspended license, even though
>> these drivers had no idea they had ever done anything wrong in the first
>> place."
>>
>> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1555.asp
>> "Arizona: Seizure Law Brings Big Cash"
>> "Last January, an Arizona law took effect requiring police to seize the
>> vehicles of individuals accused -- but not convicted -- of certain
>> violations. Already at least two jurisdictions are generating millions in
>> revenue."
>>
>> That's the kind of thing I was refering to.

> Scottsdale is hardly a small town speed trap (and it is NOT snowbird
> territory).

Talk about separation problems.

> However, I don't care what happens in Scottsdale. Once again, you
> missed my point about defining the situation where *I* live and driving
> accordingly. I know where I can goof off and where I can't. And if I
> get a ticket, like I said, tough ****. I pay the token, go to traffic
> school, and proceed as usual. I don't lose sleep about what happens
> elsewhere. I'll let you lose the sleep.

So you're vile is directed at me because I don't share your apathy. When
they take your car without due process, don't say you weren't warned. Oh,
that's right, it's only going to happen to those other people, not you.

>> Since you mention that, you might want to become better informed on what
>> the 'owners' are up to, because doing nothing is going to result in death
>> and poverty. But that's getting far off topic, so I'll leave that as a
>> homework excerise for you. A good starting point is what the fed has been
>> doing with the money supply.

> Doesn't concern me. That's why my Plan B involves skipping out to
> another country when the time comes.

Better move your money to euros now then...

>> > What's the answer, Brently? Well, for me, the best way to thumb my
>> > nose at the oppression is to concentrate on living the rest of my life
>> > doing things that put a smile on my face. If you die bitter (and YOU
>> > will), then "they" have won.

>> And you talk about ASSuming things... instead of discussing topic, you
>> start ASSuming about me.

> Again, YOU are the topic.

YOU aim to make me the topic.

>> And what do you do when the owners seek to stamp out the things you do
>> that put a smile on your face? Do you stand up then? Or are you just
>> hoping to be dead before then?

> I hope to be dead. If not, then the first few Feds that come through
> my door will be scattered all over the porch, landscaping, and the
> street. It's all good.

So you do have a line.

In article >, Brent P
> wrote:

> In article >, CobraJet wrote:
> > In article >, Brent P
> > wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >>
> >> You message to just live with the system and obey it is quite clearly
> >> stated. In fact you repeat a portion of it below.
>
> > Nope. Living within the system and obeying it "to the letter" are
> > two different things altogether.
>
> who said anything about to the letter? Not me. that whole thing about
> being in control of being revenued for speed indicates the reader should
> obey if he doesn't like the game. I quoted a considerable portion of your
> text that set the context of living with the system, playing the game,
> and obeying where not wanting to play the game.

Have you seen that YouTube vid where the doggy actually catches his
own tail and proceeds up the steps with it firmly in mouth? It's funny.
Reminds me of you.
>
> > The initial topic was the kid that killed himself in a race. I
> > responded with general comments and then YOU came in with your personal
> > experiences and gripes. Joe's right; you are a freakin' idiot.
>
> You replied to me CJ. I made only one personal experience comment
> regarding your claim on addresses being SOP, simply because it was 180
> degrees different. You then went off the deep end....

I replied to the last post in the thread at the time. Deep end? LOL.
If I went there, I'd land right on you.

>
> >> > The best example
> >> > are the politics freaks, who have to label others as Democrat or
> >> > Republican, right or left, or whatever. Then it becomes easier to jump
> >> > up and down and point fingers at imagined "transgressions", as that
> >> > person is "supposed to" think and act per the book. Wrong; oh so wrong.
>
> >> Now using that as an example really is a display of your stupidity in
> >> commenting on things you haven't been paying attention to. Now go to
> >> google, you'll find posts going back _YEARS_ where I mention that very
> >> thing showing I understand group lumping very well.
>
> > I don't waste the amount of time you do googling your ass off. I'm
> > looking at the here and now. Idiot.
>
> Talk about a complete lack of reading comprehension. You would have done
> better to have not replied.

Nah, better to keep you dancing until I return to my project outside.

>
> >> > It ain't black and white, Brently. It's all shades of gray. The
> >> > non-sheep will examine each topic individually and form his or her own
> >> > opinion regardless of what he or she is "supposed" to think.
>
> >> And I have. While you spew 'love it or leave it', I've examined the
> >> issues.
>
> > OK, so what's YOUR answer, Brent? You spend an enormous amount of
> > time whining about everyone else's POV.
>
> Nice projection.

And accurate, too.
>
> > Let us hear what YOU are going
> > to do to make your life worth living. C'mon, smart guy, now's your
> > shot. Don't blow it.
>
> What does my personal life have to do with anything regarding the topic
> at hand or anything else in this NG? Why are you so obsessed with me?

Damn, you getting funnier by the post. You bitch incessantly about
the system, and yet you have no solutions. I knew you'd blow it.
Impotence is a bitch, no?

>
> >> > You like to think you are a smart guy. But it's just a jumble in
> >> > your head. When so many people tell you in one way or another that you
> >> > are dysfunctional, don't you think you should spend some real time
> >> > figuring out why?
>
> >> Let's see... I clearly state an argument, support it with research, and
> >> then you and others insult me, attack me, call me 'dysfunctional', rather
> >> than address the point at hand.
>
> > The point is that you don't see things the same way the rest of the
> > humans do.
>
> And again you want to make this about me.

Considering the amount of time you spend replying to my posts, why
not?

>
> >> Gee... wonder why that is. Instead of attacking me, how about staying on
> >> topic and showing me wrong?
>
> > I'm showing you as dysfunctional and a paranoid schizophrenic. You
> > made this topic a personal thing.
>
> holy projection batman! I did no such thing.

Your first reply went on about you getting pulled over and **** and
I just sat there thinking, "WTF is this guy talking about?" However,
remembering your propensity for skewed thinking, I decided to needle
you a bit.

>
> > So far nobody is arguing with my evaluation of your condition.
>
> Irrelevant.

Not really. It speaks volumes. You just can't hear it through the
voices in your head.

>
> >> Who said anything about doomsday? I was refering to things like having
> >> the cash for your dream mustang taken on your way to picking it up. Your
> >> car siezed without due-process, and any host of more severe penalties
> >> that have come into play since people don't stand up to the lesser scams.
> >> Increment by increment it progresses. Where did it start? The good old
> >> small down speed trap. Here's the kind of thing I meant, I'll limit
> >> myself to ones in your state since you told me:
> >>
> >> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
> >> "Arizona: Freeway Speed Cameras Jail Innocent Motorists
> >> Drivers are having their licenses suspended without their knowledge
> >> because of photo ticketing in Scottsdale, Arizona.
> >> The proliferation of speed cameras in Arizona, particularly Scottsdale's
> >> Loop 101 freeway camera program, has caused a significant number of
> >> motorists to be arrested for driving on a suspended license, even though
> >> these drivers had no idea they had ever done anything wrong in the first
> >> place."
> >>
> >> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1555.asp
> >> "Arizona: Seizure Law Brings Big Cash"
> >> "Last January, an Arizona law took effect requiring police to seize the
> >> vehicles of individuals accused -- but not convicted -- of certain
> >> violations. Already at least two jurisdictions are generating millions in
> >> revenue."
> >>
> >> That's the kind of thing I was refering to.
>
> > Scottsdale is hardly a small town speed trap (and it is NOT snowbird
> > territory).
>
> Talk about separation problems.

Huh?
>
> > However, I don't care what happens in Scottsdale. Once again, you
> > missed my point about defining the situation where *I* live and driving
> > accordingly. I know where I can goof off and where I can't. And if I
> > get a ticket, like I said, tough ****. I pay the token, go to traffic
> > school, and proceed as usual. I don't lose sleep about what happens
> > elsewhere. I'll let you lose the sleep.
>
> So you're vile is directed at me because I don't share your apathy. When
> they take your car without due process, don't say you weren't warned. Oh,
> that's right, it's only going to happen to those other people, not you.

Wow. What an idiot. A paranoid idiot.

>
> >> Since you mention that, you might want to become better informed on what
> >> the 'owners' are up to, because doing nothing is going to result in death
> >> and poverty. But that's getting far off topic, so I'll leave that as a
> >> homework excerise for you. A good starting point is what the fed has been
> >> doing with the money supply.
>
> > Doesn't concern me. That's why my Plan B involves skipping out to
> > another country when the time comes.
>
> Better move your money to euros now then...

Gold is better.
>
> >> > What's the answer, Brently? Well, for me, the best way to thumb my
> >> > nose at the oppression is to concentrate on living the rest of my life
> >> > doing things that put a smile on my face. If you die bitter (and YOU
> >> > will), then "they" have won.
>
> >> And you talk about ASSuming things... instead of discussing topic, you
> >> start ASSuming about me.
>
> > Again, YOU are the topic.
>
> YOU aim to make me the topic.

Working pretty well so far, I'd say.
>
> >> And what do you do when the owners seek to stamp out the things you do
> >> that put a smile on your face? Do you stand up then? Or are you just
> >> hoping to be dead before then?
>
> > I hope to be dead. If not, then the first few Feds that come through
> > my door will be scattered all over the porch, landscaping, and the
> > street. It's all good.
>
> So you do have a line.

Of course. And weaponry. Just how in gawd's name could you mistake
ME for some ****ing pansy? Idiot. There ya go; ASSuming apathy equates
weakness.

Got broadband? Join me he

http://www.1.fm/Stations/ChilloutLounge/TuneIn.aspx

Inhale. Exhale. Repeat.

--
CobraJet

In article >, CobraJet wrote:

> Have you seen that YouTube vid where the doggy actually catches his
> own tail and proceeds up the steps with it firmly in mouth? It's funny.
> Reminds me of you.

Pointless, irrelevant personal insult.

> I replied to the last post in the thread at the time.

Then you should have deleted attributions and quoted material. You did
not. I replied to that post and then you went into flame mode because I
pointed out you were not universally correct.

> Deep end? LOL.
> If I went there, I'd land right on you.

Pointless, irrelevant personal insult.

>> >> Now using that as an example really is a display of your stupidity in
>> >> commenting on things you haven't been paying attention to. Now go to
>> >> google, you'll find posts going back _YEARS_ where I mention that very
>> >> thing showing I understand group lumping very well.

>> > I don't waste the amount of time you do googling your ass off. I'm
>> > looking at the here and now. Idiot.

>> Talk about a complete lack of reading comprehension. You would have done
>> better to have not replied.

> Nah, better to keep you dancing until I return to my project outside.

Irrelevant and nothing more than admiting to be a troll.

>> > OK, so what's YOUR answer, Brent? You spend an enormous amount of
>> > time whining about everyone else's POV.
>>
>> Nice projection.
>
> And accurate, too.

You've done very well at projection.

>> > Let us hear what YOU are going
>> > to do to make your life worth living. C'mon, smart guy, now's your
>> > shot. Don't blow it.

>> What does my personal life have to do with anything regarding the topic
>> at hand or anything else in this NG? Why are you so obsessed with me?

> Damn, you getting funnier by the post. You bitch incessantly about
> the system, and yet you have no solutions. I knew you'd blow it.
> Impotence is a bitch, no?

You didn't ask about solutions regarding the system. You asked what makes
my life worth living. The answer to the question you asked is not
relevant. A solution to the system would be an informed population that
demands their rights be protected and holds government accountable. A
free population that refuses to be ruled but elects people to manage the
business of government. Those elected would serve for a short time then
return to their normal lives to be replaced by others. Of course this is
probably an alien concept to those who have nothing but apathy and
laziness.

>> > The point is that you don't see things the same way the rest of the
>> > humans do.

>> And again you want to make this about me.

> Considering the amount of time you spend replying to my posts, why not?

Irrelevant, just like trying to make the thread about me.

>> >> Gee... wonder why that is. Instead of attacking me, how about staying on
>> >> topic and showing me wrong?

>> > I'm showing you as dysfunctional and a paranoid schizophrenic. You
>> > made this topic a personal thing.

>> holy projection batman! I did no such thing.

> Your first reply went on about you getting pulled over and **** and
> I just sat there thinking, "WTF is this guy talking about?" However,
> remembering your propensity for skewed thinking, I decided to needle
> you a bit.

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem. You made a universal claim
of SOP, I simply used a personal experience to show that to be incorrect
in a universal sense. That is not making the topic personal. You did that
with the end of your followup. Of course you will fail to understand
this as well.

>> > So far nobody is arguing with my evaluation of your condition.
>> Irrelevant.
> Not really. It speaks volumes. You just can't hear it through the
> voices in your head.

It is irrelevant and speaks nothing.

>> Talk about separation problems.

> Huh?

Exactly. you're mixed up and clueless. You're mixing subject matter.

>> > However, I don't care what happens in Scottsdale. Once again, you
>> > missed my point about defining the situation where *I* live and driving
>> > accordingly. I know where I can goof off and where I can't. And if I
>> > get a ticket, like I said, tough ****. I pay the token, go to traffic
>> > school, and proceed as usual. I don't lose sleep about what happens
>> > elsewhere. I'll let you lose the sleep.

>> So you're vile is directed at me because I don't share your apathy. When
>> they take your car without due process, don't say you weren't warned. Oh,
>> that's right, it's only going to happen to those other people, not you.

> Wow. What an idiot. A paranoid idiot.

Irrelevant insult. Read the second article I pointed you to.

>> > Doesn't concern me. That's why my Plan B involves skipping out to
>> > another country when the time comes.
>>
>> Better move your money to euros now then...

> Gold is better.

It is. But you won't get it out of the country if the **** hits the fan
that hard. You need to remember what good old FDR did in the 30s
regarding gold.

>> > Again, YOU are the topic.
>>
>> YOU aim to make me the topic.
>
> Working pretty well so far, I'd say.

You are quite obessive about it, i'll give you that.

>> >> And what do you do when the owners seek to stamp out the things you do
>> >> that put a smile on your face? Do you stand up then? Or are you just
>> >> hoping to be dead before then?

>> > I hope to be dead. If not, then the first few Feds that come through
>> > my door will be scattered all over the porch, landscaping, and the
>> > street. It's all good.

>> So you do have a line.

> Of course. And weaponry. Just how in gawd's name could you mistake
> ME for some ****ing pansy? Idiot. There ya go; ASSuming apathy equates
> weakness.

I did no such thing. Your comprehension problem again. I only inquired to
the depth of your apathy. The point at which you did get your ass off the
couch. Weakness never entered into the equation. How strong or weak you
are is irrelevant if you won't get your ass off the couch.

On Tue, 08 May 2007 23:39:22 GMT, CobraJet > wrote:

>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1702.asp


Contrary to Brent's postulation about revenues, the institution of
fines has been set as a deterance to violating laws. "Speed Traps",
although there are many nation wide, are actually few and far between.
But, there is just no getting through to Brent. Not sure whether CJ is
right about Brent or not. Perhaps it's just bi-polar mood disorder
(depends on whether he hears voices compelling him or not). He does
seem to have OCD (obsessive-compulsive disprder) which is not unusual.
Those with depressive conditions tend to have additional conditions
which go hand in hand.

Good luck to you Brent. I might suggest you go to your other NG where
the other patients are more apt to catch your fever and spread it.

In article >, Spike wrote:
> On Tue, 08 May 2007 23:39:22 GMT, CobraJet > wrote:
>
>>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1702.asp

> Contrary to Brent's postulation about revenues, the institution of
> fines has been set as a deterance to violating laws. "Speed Traps",
> although there are many nation wide, are actually few and far between.

Oh jeebbus... do you live in a cave? There has been article after
article after article of how traffic tickets are used as a revenue
stream. One quota system after another exposed. Explore the other
articles on the website above for a primer. Speed trap areas are rather
common, it's speed trap towns that are much less so.

He
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1743.asp
Iowa: Police Chief Suspended Over Ticket Quota
<...>
In the year ending April 30, 2005, the city issued 1136 tickets worth
$124,933. In the year ending April 30, 2007, that figure jumped to 2427
tickets worth $309,261. The number of citations issued in Pleasant Hill
per capita is nearly double that of Des Moines, which generates $5.9
million from its ticketing program.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1735.asp
Denver, Colorado Ticket Quota Uncovered
<...>
Police officials in Denver, Colorado confirmed that they have placed
pressure on rank-and-file officers to issue a minimum number of traffic
citations. Since September, those that have failed to produce have faced
disciplinary action.
<...>
Motorcycle traffic officers must issue at least sixteen tickets in every
eight-hour shift. With 26 traffic officers, that quickly adds up to
100,000 tickets per year and more than a million in revenue. All of the
city's other officers have a reduced ticket quota to fill, in addition to
their regular duties.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1734.asp
New Mexico: Freeway Speed Cameras Coming
Albuquerque, New Mexico follows the lead of Scottsdale, Arizona and plans
to install lucrative freeway speed cameras.
<...>
Mayor Martin J. Chavez announced yesterday that permanent speed cameras
and roving photo radar vans would soon begin ticketing motorists who pass
through on Interstates 40 or 25. The city's camera ticket program has
already generated 89,000 tickets on city streets worth at least $13 million.
<...>
According to the city budget, Albuquerque has faced a significant deficit
since 2005. The city adopted a number of revenue raising plans, including
a large sales tax increase, to fill the $10.1 million budget gap.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1707.asp
Texas: Dangerous Intersections Are Not Sufficiently Profitable
Red light running violations are insufficient to sustain red light
cameras at the most dangerous Lubbock, Texas intersections.

LubbockThe "most dangerous" intersections in Lubbock, Texas are not
profitable enough to sustain a red light camera program, according to a
report received yesterday by the city council's traffic commission.
Lubbock had proposed to install the devices at the fourteen locations
with the highest accident rates, but red light camera operator ATS
documented that only four of these were close to sustaining an acceptable
level of profit. According to city documents, Lubbock expects to make
$2,007,360 in the program's first year with ATS pocketing $3.3 million
over five years.
<...>

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/16/1627.asp
Texas: City Depended on Red Light Camera Revenue Before Installation
A stalled red light camera has caused a budget crisis in Lubbock, Texas.

Councilman John LeonardCity officials in Lubbock, Texas ordered a freeze
on all new hiring for government departments -- including police and fire
-- because of a budget shortfall caused by red light cameras. The city
had been counting on using the devices to produce $1.5 million in
revenue, but last week it was forced to delay the program. KCBD
television had exposed the short yellow timing at proposed camera
intersections and forced officials to agree to extend the duration of
yellow lights.
<...>

Just goes on and on and on.... REVENUE.

> But, there is just no getting through to Brent. Not sure whether CJ is
> right about Brent or not. Perhaps it's just bi-polar mood disorder
> (depends on whether he hears voices compelling him or not). He does
> seem to have OCD (obsessive-compulsive disprder) which is not unusual.
> Those with depressive conditions tend to have additional conditions
> which go hand in hand.

Irrevelant personal insult.

> Good luck to you Brent. I might suggest you go to your other NG where
> the other patients are more apt to catch your fever and spread it.

Irrelevant personal insult.

Funny how you spend your time making baseless assertions and irrelevant
insults while I make supported arguments.

"Brent P" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Now it's a popularity contest? I'll just cross post this over to
> rec.autos.driving then.

Okay, let's.

Everyone in ramfm and rad is invited to cast your votes.

Brent - thumbs up, or thumbs down?

dwight