Proper inflation of non-standard tires

I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped at
the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These newest
tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be lucky if I
make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're pretty bald.

Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear and
30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door indicates?
I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every 6K, but, as I
say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the center of the tire,
which would suggest overinflation, right?

....not so uncommon (tire size) on tirerack.com. I ran oversize tires also
and ran the pressure slightly higher for occasional spirited driving.
What's the UTQG (Uniform Tire Quality Grade) rating of your existing tires?

Here's an interesting link related to wear ratings and the UTQG:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=48



"Ethan" > wrote in message
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>I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
>original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
>original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped at
>the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These newest
>tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be lucky if I
>make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're pretty bald.
>
> Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
> that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear and
> 30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door indicates?
> I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every 6K, but, as
> I say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the center of the
> tire, which would suggest overinflation, right?
>
>
>

"Ethan" > wrote in message
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>I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
>original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
>original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped at
>the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These newest
>tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be lucky if I
>make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're pretty bald.
>
> Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
> that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear and
> 30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door indicates?
> I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every 6K, but, as
> I say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the center of the
> tire, which would suggest overinflation, right?

Hi, Ethan,
While I am no expert on tires, I certainly would not rely (for long) on
the sticker placed on the car. The tire dealer or manufacturer would seem to
me to be better sources for that information.
Good luck!

I checked out the link you gave and looked around the website a bit. I have
the Yokohama Avid Touring. The UTQG is 620 A B. I also skimmed through the
owner reviews. It seems that a few of the owners--especially the ones who
have driven over 30K on their tires--have experienced short tread life, same
as I.


"Jonnie Santos" > wrote in message
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> ...not so uncommon (tire size) on tirerack.com. I ran oversize tires also
> and ran the pressure slightly higher for occasional spirited driving.
> What's the UTQG (Uniform Tire Quality Grade) rating of your existing
> tires?
>
> Here's an interesting link related to wear ratings and the UTQG:
>
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=48
>
>
>
> "Ethan" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>>I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
>>original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
>>original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped
>>at the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These
>>newest tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be lucky
>>if I make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're pretty
>>bald.
>>
>> Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
>> that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear
>> and 30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door
>> indicates? I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every
>> 6K, but, as I say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the
>> center of the tire, which would suggest overinflation, right?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

....cool site I think - the last set of Bridgestone's I had were around 200
treadware. Stuck like glue and wore like butter...

"Ethan" > wrote in message
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>I checked out the link you gave and looked around the website a bit. I
>have the Yokohama Avid Touring. The UTQG is 620 A B. I also skimmed
>through the owner reviews. It seems that a few of the owners--especially
>the ones who have driven over 30K on their tires--have experienced short
>tread life, same as I.
>
>
> "Jonnie Santos" > wrote in message
> news:0FlIf.13915$eR.2410@fed1read03...
>> ...not so uncommon (tire size) on tirerack.com. I ran oversize tires
>> also and ran the pressure slightly higher for occasional spirited
>> driving. What's the UTQG (Uniform Tire Quality Grade) rating of your
>> existing tires?
>>
>> Here's an interesting link related to wear ratings and the UTQG:
>>
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=48
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ethan" > wrote in message
>> link.net...
>>>I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
>>>original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
>>>original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped
>>>at the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These
>>>newest tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be
>>>lucky if I make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're
>>>pretty bald.
>>>
>>> Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
>>> that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear
>>> and 30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door
>>> indicates? I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every
>>> 6K, but, as I say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the
>>> center of the tire, which would suggest overinflation, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

....no expert here either. IIRC, the sticker on the car has tire pressure
numbers based on what the engineers calculated the right pressure was for
those tires and the specific car. I'm sure they probably have a fairly
complex calcuation of what types of ratings/charteristics they want in a
tire first, then they shop, sometimes they have a tire specifically made for
them, then they get the tires, test them, play with the numbers and
somewhere in the long journey they give us the sticker with the right
numbres when the car hits production...

The sticker has always been ground zero for me to start with.

The numbers cast into the side of the tire are max pressure that tire will
handle based on the engineers at the tire manufacturer, not a recommended
pressure rating.

Many cars have different air pressure ratings from the front to the back -
since most tires (other than racing slicks) are not specific for the front
or rear, there's no way the tire manufacture could include the correct air
pressure for all cars.

I'm guessing some of the guys that race probably use pyrometers to check
tire temps when adjusting chassis setting and tire pressures, and could care
less what the sticker on the car says...



"Steve" m> wrote in message
...
> "Ethan" > wrote in message
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>>I have a 1996 SW1, 150K. At 121K, I had 4 new tires installed, not the
>>original P175/70R14 size, but the P185/65R14 size, as I was told the
>>original size was "rare" and was unavailable at the tire shops I shopped
>>at the time, and that this other size was a suitable substitute. These
>>newest tires have an 80K treadware rating, but I can see now I'll be lucky
>>if I make it halfway there. After only 29K of driving, they're pretty
>>bald.
>>
>> Here's my question: Is the proper inflation for these tires the same as
>> that for the original size? In other words, is it the same 26psi rear
>> and 30psi front as the sticker on the inside of the driver's door
>> indicates? I've kept the tires at that inflation, and rotated them every
>> 6K, but, as I say, they're balding, and perhaps a little moreso on the
>> center of the tire, which would suggest overinflation, right?
>
> Hi, Ethan,
> While I am no expert on tires, I certainly would not rely (for long) on
> the sticker placed on the car. The tire dealer or manufacturer would seem
> to me to be better sources for that information.
> Good luck!
>

Please, oh please, unless you are racing and now what dimension your camber
is set at, just leave the tire pressure set at what it says on the
placard.

They generate those numbers universally, regardless of change in size or
manufacturer. If it says inflate to 30 psi, please just inflate it to 30
psi. I see severly overinflated tires at work everyday, so close to
overfull they should have exploded..... but that is another story.....

Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I surfed the articles on tirerack.com, as
recommended by Jonnie. They have a lot of useful info on tires. I like how
they specifically say that the "max" psi stamped on the sidewall is max the
tire can be operated with, and not the proper pressure.

Tire info has been elusive and contradictory to me over the years. As a
govt. employee, I drive a lot of different vehicles. Typical scenario has
been as follows: Another employee turns a vehicle over to me. Tires are
visibly uneven in pressure, meaning that something is quite wrong. I look
up "tire pressure" in the owner's manual. The chapter tells me, "Always
inflate to proper pressure," but doesn't tell what that pressure is.
Finally, after much jumping back and forth through the manual, I read that
I'm supposed to check the placard on the door to determine the proper
pressure. I check the door, and the placard is gone! Then I go to a
coworker and say, "Well, dude, whaddya think the proper pressure should be?"
And he or she responds, "What do you mean?! The proper tire pressure is
stamped right on the side of the tire!"--like I'm an idiot. I tell you,
the vast majority of drivers believe that tires should be inflated to the
"max" pressure--if they ever think about their tires at all, that is. I've
had so many people tell me this I almost started believing it.

The tirerack.com article says that starting with 2003, owner's manauls are
required to provide more info about tires. Maybe now we're not out of luck
when the placard comes off. Incidentally, it is also mentioned that the
manuals must now state the combined maximum weight of cargo and occupants
the vehicle can handle. Jeez, it's about time. All the manuals I've seen
just mention the combined weight of car, occupants, and cargo. Like you
nothing better to do than look up your car's weight, then do some addition.

Oh--and one other thing I forgot to throw into the equasion--what if you
have two different tire gages and each gives a reading 6 psi different then
the other? I guess there's a limit to how perfect we can be when it
comes to such things as tire pressure.

Ethan


"TheLastDonSC2" > wrote in message
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> Please, oh please, unless you are racing and now what dimension your
> camber
> is set at, just leave the tire pressure set at what it says on the
> placard.
>
> They generate those numbers universally, regardless of change in size or
> manufacturer. If it says inflate to 30 psi, please just inflate it to 30
> psi. I see severly overinflated tires at work everyday, so close to
> overfull they should have exploded..... but that is another story.....
>

Do you want comfortable ride or maximum mileage? The door placard usually
is the manufacturer's recommendation that provides a compromise with the OEM
tires.

Me, I usually inflate tires that have maximum 44PSI cold pressure stamped
into them to 35PSI for the given temperature (add air in cold winter months,
take some out in hot summer months). On my tires that state 35PSI max cold
pressure, similarly I inflate to 32PSI. This gives much better mileage and
seems to increase tire wear as well. The tradeoff is a bit harsher ride and
more wear on front suspension components.

Bob

"Ethan" > wrote in message
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> Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I surfed the articles on tirerack.com, as
> recommended by Jonnie. They have a lot of useful info on tires. I like
> how they specifically say that the "max" psi stamped on the sidewall is
> max the tire can be operated with, and not the proper pressure.
>
> Tire info has been elusive and contradictory to me over the years.