318 air con question

In article >,
> wrote:
> >Your car takes R134a. You can buy this at the local parts store down on
> >the corner. Get one that has a pressure gauge in the line that
> >connects the can to the car.

> Unfortunately Jeff you cannot buy it over the counter in the UK not
> Euroland. One has to be registered and trained to get the gas and to
> operate the almost idiot proof machinery that does the vacuum out and
> recharge process.

Bought some from Halfords last year.

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whoops ... still get it in Mexico and other environmentally stupid countries
.... in California it is real hard to get R-12 as it is outlawed ... in the
USA getting that way fast to my reckoning. All new cars in the USA are not
R-12 systems also to my reckoning ... still if you upgrade out of an R-12
system as your car still has years and miles on it have an AC guy do the gut
and rebuild. If your car has reached a dollar foolish and penny wise
condition of high use repair ... get new technology and purchase a 2000 or
better year model. 2001 is better of course, as it is not the beta version.
And on you go the newer you get the better the engineering. IMO of course.


in article , Scott Dorsey at
wrote on 7/27/08 11:57 AM:

> Not really. R-12 is actually a lot cheaper than it was a few years ago when
> people were hoarding it... it's fairly reasonably priced and you can get it
> without too much trouble. BUT, you need an R-12 recovery system if you want
> to legally open the AC lines out.

in article , Jeff Strickland at
wrote on 7/27/08 12:38 PM:

> If the system leaks, the guage will tell you.

only big leaks ... little ones nope. need the blue light, etc, etc ...

buy a certified mechanic who your neighbors speak well of.

IMO and all that rot !!!

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:45:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" >
wrote:

>In article >,
> > wrote:
>> >Your car takes R134a. You can buy this at the local parts store down on
>> >the corner. Get one that has a pressure gauge in the line that
>> >connects the can to the car.
>
>> Unfortunately Jeff you cannot buy it over the counter in the UK not
>> Euroland. One has to be registered and trained to get the gas and to
>> operate the almost idiot proof machinery that does the vacuum out and
>> recharge process.
>
>Bought some from Halfords last year.


That was last year Dave - I think you will find it neigh on impossible this
year...

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In article >,
Alan B. Mac Farlane > wrote:
> All new cars in the USA are not R-12 systems also to my reckoning ...
> still if you upgrade out of an R-12 system as your car still has years
> and miles on it have an AC guy do the gut and rebuild.

It's not an 'upgrade' from R12. Quite the reverse, actually, in terms of
performance.

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Dave Plowman (News) > wrote:
>In article >,
> Alan B. Mac Farlane > wrote:
>> All new cars in the USA are not R-12 systems also to my reckoning ...
>> still if you upgrade out of an R-12 system as your car still has years
>> and miles on it have an AC guy do the gut and rebuild.
>
>It's not an 'upgrade' from R12. Quite the reverse, actually, in terms of
>performance.

As I said, if you replace R12 with R174, and you replace the condenser
coils and the dryer assembly, you can get just as good performance with
the new freon as with the old. You _must_ have a larger condenser, though,
otherwise it will just not get as cold.

Replacing the condenser isn't that hard... it's much easier than replacing
the evaporator.
--scott
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in article , Scott Dorsey at
wrote on 7/28/08 6:45 AM:
>It's not an 'upgrade' from R12. Quite the reverse, actually, in terms of
> performance.


When I kicked my Cadilliac up to the new refrigerant ... after install of
ALL the required parts it was putting out at 50 degrees F on idle ... and a
bit colder at highway speed.

Enough for me to make it not work so good even in 110 degree heat outside.

If OLD SCHOOL is 'performance' ... while killing our kids along the way then
you can have it.

I say performance is keeping the kids around so they can have a life.

I can only guess you do not know how to handle the toddler tantrum correctly
... AND it was not handled correctly in your childhood sorry to say.

Belts, spoons, hairbrushes and blood are the wrong way to handled kids ...
as an example.

There are lots more ways of getting wrong.

Only one way to get it right.

The learning curve goes up after awhile.

Women are seeing what the toddler tantrum looks like in adults ... and they
don't like it ... gonna be hard getting sex from them ... as a man like this
really is not worth a fox.

As having sex with them means having all these problems come in with them at
the same time.

sumbuddie wear blind sea

In article >,
Alan B. Mac Farlane > wrote:
> in article , Scott Dorsey at
> wrote on 7/28/08 6:45 AM:
> >It's not an 'upgrade' from R12. Quite the reverse, actually, in terms of
> > performance.


> When I kicked my Cadilliac up to the new refrigerant ... after install
> of ALL the required parts it was putting out at 50 degrees F on idle ...
> and a bit colder at highway speed.

I'd guess all the 'required' parts weren't the *correct* upgrades.
Otherwise no modern AC would work either.

> Enough for me to make it not work so good even in 110 degree heat
> outside.

> If OLD SCHOOL is 'performance' ... while killing our kids along the way
> then you can have it.

I'm sure we'll manage a war or two to kill them anyway - regardless of the
type of refrigerant in use.

> I say performance is keeping the kids around so they can have a life.

Bully for you.

> I can only guess you do not know how to handle the toddler tantrum
> correctly .. AND it was not handled correctly in your childhood sorry to
> say.

WTF you on about?

> Belts, spoons, hairbrushes and blood are the wrong way to handled kids ...
> as an example.

> There are lots more ways of getting wrong.

Sounds like you've experienced them all

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>>
>>Bought some from Halfords last year.
>
>
> That was last year Dave - I think you will find it neigh on impossible
> this
> year...


Have you looked at ebay?