50 Fastest Muscle Cars Showdown -- an Update

For the past year, www.Buickhorsepower.com has been trying to assemble
as many cars as possible
from the 1984 "50 Fastest Muscle Cars" list. It's set for Wednesday
and Thursday June 28 and June 29 at Indianapolis Raceway Park. Spike
TV's "MuscleCar show" is covering it.

Here's the "50 Fastest" list they're working off of:

http://www.buickhorsepower.com/image...50_fastest.pdf

I posted about this on May 8. Here's the latest, from the page
http://www.buickhorsepower.com/ , updated June 22:

"Welcome to the Buickhorsepower.com website! Here is our tentative
schedule. . . .

"June 28-- Gates open at 8:30 for spectators and the 50 Fastest
challenge will begin at 10:00 and end at noon. Then, Buick Horsepower
takes over. . . . These tentative hours can be tweaked depending on the
number of musclecars that show up for 50 Fastest. We have quite a few
so far that say they are coming including some big block Chevy cars, a
440-6 pak car, a Hemicuda, even a Studebaker with the R3 supercharged
engine! And, we have a Buick GSX and a 70 Stage 1 too. If we get 300
cars that participate in this 50 Fastest challenge, then we'll have to
re-write the schedule! Remember that these cars too must be NHRA legal!
Make sure you have things like battery hold-downs, radiator overflow
jugs, not too much rubber fuel line, etc.

"June 29 -- Gates again open at 8:30 for spectators and again we will
run the 50 Fastest starting at 10:00 and this part of the program will
run until noon. Then, again, Buick Horsepower takes over. . . . Same
deal as yesterday if we get slammed with 50 Fastest challengers!
* * *
"Also, the 50 Fastest is generating so much interest that you don't
want to miss this part of the event! We have crews coming from all over
to cover this and you may very well see your car in print or on TV if
you bring your stock musclecar and see what it will run! Again, we
should mention that if your musclecar is not on the 50 Fastest chart,
you are still welcome to bring it and see how it stacks up. Then, maybe
see it on TV in a few months!"

Also in that May 8 thread I posted this explanation of the "50 Fastest"
list that is the basis for this event:

This 50 Fastest list originally appeared in Car Review magazine in
1984, and was culled entirely from magazine road tests from "in the
day. So calling it the "50 Fastest" without an asterisk explaining its
origins is misleading. It should really be called "The 50 Fastest Road
Test Quarter Mile Times that One Ragazine Writer Could Get His Hands On
in 1984."

Just so the late model lovers didn't get their panties in a bunch, I
also posted this link to the all-time 50-fastest:
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm -- way, way topheavy with
late models. You have to go halfway down the list, to the mid-13's,
before you start to see the oldies out in force.

180 Out

wrote:

> Just so the late model lovers didn't get their panties in a bunch, I
> also posted this link to the all-time 50-fastest:
> http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm -- way, way topheavy with
> late models. You have to go halfway down the list, to the mid-13's,
> before you start to see the oldies out in force.

In fact, I just took a closer look at this link and realized that it's
way more than a *50* fastest list. In fact, the cutoff for the 50
fastest is the '03 Audi RS6 with a 12.63 @ 108.64. In 51st place is
the '07 Shelby Mustang GT500 with a 12.7 @ 116 (which obviously would
surpass the Audi if it too had 4 wheel drive). So only the exotic
factory drag specials from the '60's still remain in the 50 fastest.
(And don't let that 12.7 second Cobra fool you. Notice it's a "2001
289 FIA" Cobra with a 302 ci engine. WTF?)

Anyway, think of it, 50 models that run a 12.7 or better off the
showroom floor.

180 Out

wrote in news:1151010838.785933.217100
@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:

> For the past year, www.Buickhorsepower.com has been trying to assemble
> as many cars as possible
> from the 1984 "50 Fastest Muscle Cars" list. It's set for Wednesday
> and Thursday June 28 and June 29 at Indianapolis Raceway Park. Spike
> TV's "MuscleCar show" is covering it.
>
> Here's the "50 Fastest" list they're working off of:
>
> http://www.buickhorsepower.com/image...50_fastest.pdf
>
> I posted about this on May 8. Here's the latest, from the page
> http://www.buickhorsepower.com/ , updated June 22:
>
> "Welcome to the Buickhorsepower.com website! Here is our tentative
> schedule. . . .
>
> "June 28-- Gates open at 8:30 for spectators and the 50 Fastest
> challenge will begin at 10:00 and end at noon. Then, Buick Horsepower
> takes over. . . . These tentative hours can be tweaked depending on
the
> number of musclecars that show up for 50 Fastest. We have quite a few
> so far that say they are coming including some big block Chevy cars, a
> 440-6 pak car, a Hemicuda, even a Studebaker with the R3 supercharged
> engine! And, we have a Buick GSX and a 70 Stage 1 too. If we get 300
> cars that participate in this 50 Fastest challenge, then we'll have to
> re-write the schedule! Remember that these cars too must be NHRA
legal!
> Make sure you have things like battery hold-downs, radiator overflow
> jugs, not too much rubber fuel line, etc.
>
> "June 29 -- Gates again open at 8:30 for spectators and again we will
> run the 50 Fastest starting at 10:00 and this part of the program will
> run until noon. Then, again, Buick Horsepower takes over. . . . Same
> deal as yesterday if we get slammed with 50 Fastest challengers!
> * * *
> "Also, the 50 Fastest is generating so much interest that you don't
> want to miss this part of the event! We have crews coming from all
over
> to cover this and you may very well see your car in print or on TV if
> you bring your stock musclecar and see what it will run! Again, we
> should mention that if your musclecar is not on the 50 Fastest chart,
> you are still welcome to bring it and see how it stacks up. Then,
maybe
> see it on TV in a few months!"
>
> Also in that May 8 thread I posted this explanation of the "50
Fastest"
> list that is the basis for this event:
>
> This 50 Fastest list originally appeared in Car Review magazine in
> 1984, and was culled entirely from magazine road tests from "in the
> day. So calling it the "50 Fastest" without an asterisk explaining
its
> origins is misleading. It should really be called "The 50 Fastest Road
> Test Quarter Mile Times that One Ragazine Writer Could Get His Hands
On
> in 1984."
>
> Just so the late model lovers didn't get their panties in a bunch, I
> also posted this link to the all-time 50-fastest:
> http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm -- way, way topheavy with
> late models. You have to go halfway down the list, to the mid-13's,
> before you start to see the oldies out in force.
>
> 180 Out

Gotta love the Subie and Evo with their respective numbers. And the
Jeep GC SRT8 is no slouch either. Saw a few of them on the road this
week. Real neat except for the Boxster exhaust.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

Joe wrote:

> Gotta love the Subie and Evo with their respective numbers. And the
> Jeep GC SRT8 is no slouch either. Saw a few of them on the road this
> week. Real neat except for the Boxster exhaust.

I didn't even see the Jeep on that list. 13.2 @ 104. That's a good
hook. 4 wheel drive and an automatic: just point and shoot (making
sure first that Junior is strapped into his car seat).

Check it out: word search the page for "hemi" and, after the '68
factory S/S Darts and Cudas with 10.5's @ 130, and the '70 426 ci
Challenger and Cuda with 13.1's @ 107, *then* comes the 378 ci '05 300C
SRT8 with a 13.2 @ 108 and the '06 Grand Cherokee with a 13.2 @ 104.

Next in line is a '69 Road Runner (13.3 @ 108), a '69 Charger (13.5 @
109), an *'06* Charger (13.5 @ 106), a '68 Charger, a '67 GTX, and a
'68 RR (13.5 @ 105), a '68 Charger (13.5 @ 101), a '71 Super Bee (13.7
@ 104), a '65 Coronet R/T and a '67 Satellite (13.8 @ 104), a '69
Charger Daytona (13.9 @ 101), and a '68 GTX 'vert (14.0 @ 97).

I typed up the entire compilation because we're talking muscle car
royalty here. Hemi Road Runners, Super Bees, '67 GTX's, Charger
Daytonas. Wow. It's fun just to say the names. But of the top five
quickest Mopar hemis of all time -- other than the couple hundred
factory S/S cars of '68 and '69 -- we're looking at the '70 Challenger
and Cuda, the 300C, the *JEEP*(!!!), and the '69 Road Runner. In 7th
place is the '06 Charger. And notice the trap speed of the porky 300C
(108) and the even porkier Jeep (104), compared to the '69 Road
Runner's 108 (or for that matter the '68 GTX vert's 97). It looks like
the modern 378 ci "hemi" has at least 30 more hp than the 426 of yore.
(In the low 100's trap speed range, one hp is equal to about 10 lbs.
So if vehicle "A" is 300 lbs heavier than vehicle "B," it will need 30
more hp to run the same trap speed.)

180 Out

wrote in news:1151078644.480241.299310
@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

>
> Joe wrote:
>
>> Gotta love the Subie and Evo with their respective numbers. And the
>> Jeep GC SRT8 is no slouch either. Saw a few of them on the road this
>> week. Real neat except for the Boxster exhaust.
>
> I didn't even see the Jeep on that list. 13.2 @ 104. That's a good
> hook. 4 wheel drive and an automatic: just point and shoot (making
> sure first that Junior is strapped into his car seat).

It's cool that DC is successfully competing with Porsche.

> Check it out: word search the page for "hemi" and, after the '68
> factory S/S Darts and Cudas with 10.5's @ 130, and the '70 426 ci
> Challenger and Cuda with 13.1's @ 107, *then* comes the 378 ci '05
300C
> SRT8 with a 13.2 @ 108 and the '06 Grand Cherokee with a 13.2 @ 104.

And we're only in the low 13s.

> Next in line is a '69 Road Runner (13.3 @ 108), a '69 Charger (13.5 @
> 109), an *'06* Charger (13.5 @ 106), a '68 Charger, a '67 GTX, and a
> '68 RR (13.5 @ 105), a '68 Charger (13.5 @ 101), a '71 Super Bee (13.7
> @ 104), a '65 Coronet R/T and a '67 Satellite (13.8 @ 104), a '69
> Charger Daytona (13.9 @ 101), and a '68 GTX 'vert (14.0 @ 97).

That's a damn nice group of cars.

> I typed up the entire compilation because we're talking muscle car
> royalty here. Hemi Road Runners, Super Bees, '67 GTX's, Charger
> Daytonas. Wow. It's fun just to say the names. But of the top five
> quickest Mopar hemis of all time -- other than the couple hundred
> factory S/S cars of '68 and '69 -- we're looking at the '70 Challenger
> and Cuda, the 300C, the *JEEP*(!!!), and the '69 Road Runner. In 7th
> place is the '06 Charger. And notice the trap speed of the porky 300C
> (108) and the even porkier Jeep (104), compared to the '69 Road
> Runner's 108 (or for that matter the '68 GTX vert's 97). It looks
like
> the modern 378 ci "hemi" has at least 30 more hp than the 426 of yore.
> (In the low 100's trap speed range, one hp is equal to about 10 lbs.
> So if vehicle "A" is 300 lbs heavier than vehicle "B," it will need 30
> more hp to run the same trap speed.)
>
> 180 Out

The 6.1 Hemi is a sweet motor. It'll be interesting to see how the
GT500's blown 5.4 compares.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC