"No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Dec 31, 9:49*am, edward ohare
> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>
> >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. *They are literally a
> >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.
>
> Yes, they are. *But we started two wars over 2700 people being killed
> on 9 11 while, what is it, 30,000 people or so are killed each year in
> traffic accidents.

35,000 a year are killed in highway crashes ( don't call them
accidents). What makes it even crazier is no one knows how to stop
the tiny problem of terrorism while there are many ways to reduce
highway murders and they will SAVE MONEY!!

On 2010-12-31, edward ohare > wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
> Are Murderers" > wrote:
>
>>On Dec 30, 5:52*pm, edward ohare
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm surprised. *I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
>>> would result in immediate execution. *Especially with a police chief
>>> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -
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>>> - Show quoted text -
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>>Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. They are literally a
>>thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.
>
> Its not about coddling drunk drivers. Its about not making an
> exception to the principle of probable cause.
>
> Checkpoints for drunk drivers have been ruled illegal every time
> they've been challenged. Yet local governments continue to try to
> push for them.

Because of the federal money behind them.

On Dec 30, 7:35*pm, Lil Abner > wrote:
> On 12/30/2010 1:17 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
..
> They want to stop the majority of DUIs they should stop selling
> individual alcoholic drinks at every 7-11 and corner gas station.
> They pull in get a quart of booze, in a paper bag, and drink it driving
> down the road.-

That's an idea but i think it would be better to make DUI an
automatic felony and with mandatory multi-year loss of license.

On Dec 30, 7:43*pm, necromancer
<Zidane's_Last_Red_Card@worldofnecromancer_no_spam _no_way.org> wrote:
>
> And of course, they have their useful idiots like S4B and the old hens
> at MADD to bleat, "its for the children," and other such jingoistic
> crapola to trick the proletariat into falling for it...
>

Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to each of us than all other
criminals put together!!! But morons like you continue to wail about
the microscopic problem of terrorism!!

On 2010-12-31, Harry K > wrote:
> On Dec 31, 8:50*am, harry k > wrote:
>> On Dec 31, 8:47*am, edward ohare
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>>
>> > Are Murderers" > wrote:
>> > >On Dec 30, 5:52*pm, edward ohare
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > >> I'm surprised. *I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
>> > >> would result in immediate execution. *Especially with a police chief
>> > >> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. *They are literally a
>> > >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.
>>
>> > Its not about coddling drunk drivers. *Its about not making an
>> > exception to the principle of probable cause.
>>
>> > Checkpoints for drunk drivers have been ruled illegal every time
>> > they've been challenged. *Yet local governments continue to try to
>> > push for them.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> BS. *They have been ruled legal each and every time _with caveates_,
>> i.e., you cannot "profile", each and every vehicle must be stopped and
>> checked.
>>
>> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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> Bit of a correction. You cannot 'profile' but IIANM you can check
> only every so many cars, i.e., every 4th, every 10th,

what a bunch of government employees in black robes say doesn't make it
right nor legal with the plain wording of the limitations placed on
government. juries should refuse to convict anyone who is charged with a
crime against the state because of one of these checkpoints.

On 12/31/2010 1:33 PM, Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers wrote:
> On Dec 30, 7:35 pm, Lil > wrote:
>> On 12/30/2010 1:17 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
> .
>> They want to stop the majority of DUIs they should stop selling
>> individual alcoholic drinks at every 7-11 and corner gas station.
>> They pull in get a quart of booze, in a paper bag, and drink it driving
>> down the road.-
>
> That's an idea but i think it would be better to make DUI an
> automatic felony and with mandatory multi-year loss of license.
Hasn't worked well yet. If they can't get the booze easily, there would
be a lot fewer instances of DUI, less Court time and costs, and fewer,
in jail and diminished costs, for incarceration.
It used to be that way but the convenience store interests got city
councils etc to let them with grand promises of more tax revenue etc.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:30:41 -0500, Lil Abner > wrote:

>Hasn't worked well yet. If they can't get the booze easily, there would
>be a lot fewer instances of DUI, less Court time and costs, and fewer,
>in jail and diminished costs, for incarceration.

Mor people in jail is what S4B wants. That's the only it can score a
date.
--
Aunt Judy defends a known *drunk driver*:

"Almost all vehicle 'accidents' are due to driver
recklessness but the Chappaquidick incident is one
instance where it may really have been no ones
fault except the idiot who built the bridge."
--"Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend,"
(currently known as Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS) 11/10/2005
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S4B spewed:

>On Dec 30, 6:25*pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>>>
>> what about the rest of us? *Shouldn't I have the right to just go about
>> my business without being hassled unless I'm actually, individually
>> suspected of a crime?
>
>
>Have you tried flying a plane lately?. They poke and prod and x-ray
>you even though you've done nothing and you accept that!!

That's because an errant car can't bring down a skyscraper. An
airplane can, you stupid ****ing american (sic).

--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS admits to
being a toll cheat and running the toll booths
(Gramatical errors and hissy fit left intact):

"Now that is really stupid. Tolls are nothing but
taxes meaninglegalized stealing. You govt shills
are pathetic."

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On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:32:07 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers" > wrote:

>On Dec 31, 9:49Â*am, edward ohare
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>>
>> >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. Â*They are literally a
>> >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.
>>
>> Yes, they are. Â*But we started two wars over 2700 people being killed
>> on 9 11 while, what is it, 30,000 people or so are killed each year in
>> traffic accidents.
>
>35,000 a year are killed in highway crashes ( don't call them
>accidents). What makes it even crazier is no one knows how to stop
>the tiny problem of terrorism while there are many ways to reduce
>highway murders and they will SAVE MONEY!!

Don't know now to stop terrorism? What?

Look at the word. Its about irrational fear that someone can do more
harm than they really can do.

Wanna stop terrorism? Don't be afraid. End of story.

Concering your characterizations, most highway crashes fit the
definition of being accidents. Calling deaths resulting from them
murder is also wrong.

Even a drunk driver didn't intend to kill anyone. Wanton negligence
doesn't make for murder.

S4B spewed:

>Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to each of us than all other
>criminals put together!!! But morons like you continue to wail about
>the microscopic problem of terrorism!!

The only reason that there is a perceived problem of, "terrorism,"
"speeding," or, "drunk driving," is because big fat bon-bon slurping
welfare queens like you have fallen hook, line and sinker for the
bleating of the MADD hens and faux snooze.

Now, for the new year, get off your fat bleating american (sic) pig
ass and get a job - take one from one of those Mexicans you are always
whining about.

--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS shows us what
an idiot it is yet again:

"Idiot. District attorneys are considered part of the police force."

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 7/30/07
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