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"No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa



 
 
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  #11  
Old December 31st 10, 03:43 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
necromancer[_7_]
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:35:48 -0500, Lil Abner > wrote:

>It's not great whatever the intention or reason.
>It won't be long til they will pass legislation, like Britain, jsut
>struck down, allowing Police to randomly pat down and search, without
>any justification.
>We have allowed the police state to take over America.
>We have cameras everywhere. They wanted to and maybe have placed videos,
>at checkouts of stores encouraging people to be on the look out for any
>behavior outside, what they consider normal.


And of course, they have their useful idiots like S4B and the old hens
at MADD to bleat, "its for the children," and other such jingoistic
crapola to trick the proletariat into falling for it...

>We probably need to re read 1984 to pick up some pointers to stay out of
>the line of fire or suspicion by the new police state.
>I don't recognize the Republic of my youth.
>They want to stop the majority of DUIs they should stop selling
>individual alcoholic drinks at every 7-11 and corner gas station.
>They pull in get a quart of booze, in a paper bag, and drink it driving
>down the road.


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  #12  
Old December 31st 10, 06:03 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On 2010-12-30, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals > wrote:
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>
>
>
> "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa
>
> Tampa, Florida-- With New Year's Eve only days away, the National
> Highway Traffic Safety Administration expects this to be one of the
> deadliest weeks of the year on the roads.
>
> But now a new weapon is being used in the fight against drunk driving.
>
> It's a change that could make you more likely to be convicted.
>
> "I think it's a great deterrent for people," said Linda Unfried, from
> Mother's Against Drunk Driving in Hillsborough County.
>
> Florida is among several states now holding what are called "no
> refusal" checkpoints.
>
> It means if you refuse a breath test during a traffic stop, a judge is
> on site, and issues a warrant that allows police to perform a
> mandatory blood test.
>
> It's already being done in several counties, and now Unfried is
> working to bring it to the Tampa Bay area.


A judge still needs to issue the warrant upon some reasonable cause.
Driving through a checkpoint doesn't qualify for that.


  #13  
Old December 31st 10, 06:37 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:03:23 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2010-12-30, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa
>>
>> Tampa, Florida-- With New Year's Eve only days away, the National
>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration expects this to be one of the
>> deadliest weeks of the year on the roads.
>>
>> But now a new weapon is being used in the fight against drunk driving.
>>
>> It's a change that could make you more likely to be convicted.
>>
>> "I think it's a great deterrent for people," said Linda Unfried, from
>> Mother's Against Drunk Driving in Hillsborough County.
>>
>> Florida is among several states now holding what are called "no
>> refusal" checkpoints.
>>
>> It means if you refuse a breath test during a traffic stop, a judge is
>> on site, and issues a warrant that allows police to perform a
>> mandatory blood test.
>>
>> It's already being done in several counties, and now Unfried is
>> working to bring it to the Tampa Bay area.

>
>A judge still needs to issue the warrant upon some reasonable cause.
>Driving through a checkpoint doesn't qualify for that.


In a banana republic like america (sic) in general and a state like FL
in particular, the only reason for the judge being there is to
rubberstamp approval to the gestapo's actions.

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  #14  
Old December 31st 10, 06:52 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On 2010-12-31, necromancer <Zidane's_Last_Red_Card@worldofnecromancer_no_spam _no_way.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:03:23 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-12-30, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa
>>>
>>> Tampa, Florida-- With New Year's Eve only days away, the National
>>> Highway Traffic Safety Administration expects this to be one of the
>>> deadliest weeks of the year on the roads.
>>>
>>> But now a new weapon is being used in the fight against drunk driving.
>>>
>>> It's a change that could make you more likely to be convicted.
>>>
>>> "I think it's a great deterrent for people," said Linda Unfried, from
>>> Mother's Against Drunk Driving in Hillsborough County.
>>>
>>> Florida is among several states now holding what are called "no
>>> refusal" checkpoints.
>>>
>>> It means if you refuse a breath test during a traffic stop, a judge is
>>> on site, and issues a warrant that allows police to perform a
>>> mandatory blood test.
>>>
>>> It's already being done in several counties, and now Unfried is
>>> working to bring it to the Tampa Bay area.

>>
>>A judge still needs to issue the warrant upon some reasonable cause.
>>Driving through a checkpoint doesn't qualify for that.

>
> In a banana republic like america (sic) in general and a state like FL
> in particular, the only reason for the judge being there is to
> rubberstamp approval to the gestapo's actions.


Effectively yes, but it's considered paranoid to say it that way

Then again the subject of this thread would get a person called paranoid
for saying it was the future a few years ago.

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Old December 31st 10, 05:47 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers" > wrote:

>On Dec 30, 5:52Â*pm, edward ohare
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm surprised. Â*I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
>> would result in immediate execution. Â*Especially with a police chief
>> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
>Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. They are literally a
>thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.


Its not about coddling drunk drivers. Its about not making an
exception to the principle of probable cause.

Checkpoints for drunk drivers have been ruled illegal every time
they've been challenged. Yet local governments continue to try to
push for them.

Note your comment about them being worse than terrorists is possible
because there are those who want to make an exception to the probable
cause principle for terrorists. When people support exceptions to
principles, they'll find that sooner or later someone wants to make an
exception to a principle that hurts them.
  #16  
Old December 31st 10, 05:49 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
Are Murderers" > wrote:

>On Dec 30, 5:52Â*pm, edward ohare
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm surprised. Â*I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
>> would result in immediate execution. Â*Especially with a police chief
>> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
>Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. They are literally a
>thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.


Yes, they are. But we started two wars over 2700 people being killed
on 9 11 while, what is it, 30,000 people or so are killed each year in
traffic accidents.
  #17  
Old December 31st 10, 05:50 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Dec 31, 8:47*am, edward ohare
> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>
> Are Murderers" > wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 5:52*pm, edward ohare
> > wrote:

>
> >> I'm surprised. *I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
> >> would result in immediate execution. *Especially with a police chief
> >> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -

>
> >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. *They are literally a
> >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.

>
> Its not about coddling drunk drivers. *Its about not making an
> exception to the principle of probable cause.
>
> Checkpoints for drunk drivers have been ruled illegal every time
> they've been challenged. *Yet local governments continue to try to
> push for them.
>


<snip>

BS. They have been ruled legal each and every time _with caveates_,
i.e., you cannot "profile", each and every vehicle must be stopped and
checked.

Harry K
  #18  
Old December 31st 10, 06:38 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
Harry K
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Default "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

On Dec 31, 8:50*am, harry k > wrote:
> On Dec 31, 8:47*am, edward ohare
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers

>
> > Are Murderers" > wrote:
> > >On Dec 30, 5:52*pm, edward ohare
> > > wrote:

>
> > >> I'm surprised. *I figured given the north Florida attitudes, refusal
> > >> would result in immediate execution. *Especially with a police chief
> > >> who thinks "suspect" means "guilty until proven innocent".- Hide quoted text -

>
> > >> - Show quoted text -

>
> > >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. *They are literally a
> > >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.

>
> > Its not about coddling drunk drivers. *Its about not making an
> > exception to the principle of probable cause.

>
> > Checkpoints for drunk drivers have been ruled illegal every time
> > they've been challenged. *Yet local governments continue to try to
> > push for them.

>
> <snip>
>
> BS. *They have been ruled legal each and every time _with caveates_,
> i.e., you cannot "profile", each and every vehicle must be stopped and
> checked.
>
> Harry K- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Bit of a correction. You cannot 'profile' but IIANM you can check
only every so many cars, i.e., every 4th, every 10th,
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Old December 31st 10, 07:26 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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On Dec 30, 6:25*pm, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>>

> what about the rest of us? *Shouldn't I have the right to just go about
> my business without being hassled unless I'm actually, individually
> suspected of a crime?



Have you tried flying a plane lately?. They poke and prod and x-ray
you even though you've done nothing and you accept that!!
  #20  
Old December 31st 10, 07:28 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,alt.law-enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,alt.true-crime,misc.transport.trucking
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On Dec 31, 9:47*am, edward ohare
> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>
> -
>
> >Why do you want to coddle drunk drivers?. *They are literally a
> >thousand times bigger problem than terrorists.

>
> Its not about coddling drunk drivers. *Its about not making an
> exception to the principle of probable cause.
>


Probable cause? Where is the probable cause when you want to board an
airplane and are searched by TSA?
 




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