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Old August 18th 07, 07:26 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

Who the hell was stupid and kicked his truck and WHY?

Somebody apparently did something stupid to cause something a lot more
stupid. That was jackass and entirely preventable.

No real sympathy for any kickers.

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Old August 18th 07, 07:26 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman[_12_]
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>> Paul Berg wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy Mastne,
>>> were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not life-threatening.
>>> Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.

>
>> Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat
>> provides little more than bump and scrape protection?

>
>
> They seem effective in reducing serious head injuries by up to 85%.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yqk6xl


Thompson, Rivara, Thompson has been discredited for a long time, unless
one believes that bicycle h*lm*ts reduce 85% of NON-HEAD injuries also.

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Old August 18th 07, 07:45 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

On Aug 18, 12:26 pm, "Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S"
> wrote:
> Who the hell was stupid and kicked his truck and WHY?
>
> Somebody apparently did something stupid to cause something a lot more
> stupid. That was jackass and entirely preventable.
>
> No real sympathy for any kickers.


What is more, if you have enough time and room to kick a truck, you
need to back off and learn to flow with traffic better or pay
attention at corners. Damaging property like that might be criminal
mischief at the least.

Bicyclists not only don't mess with a 3000 lb motor vehicle, they have
the common sense not to be trolled by Paul Berg and the spam binary
images that must fill about screen worth of your monitors and are
probably cut by most providers by now.

SO...how many accomplicises does the rogue WebTV user have?

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Old August 18th 07, 07:56 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bill Shatzer
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

Mike Kruger wrote:

> Michael Warner wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:00:28 -0700, Paul Berg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Police arrested Eschweiler and charged him with two counts of
>>>>attempted assault.

>>
>>/Attempted/ assault? Sounds like he succeeded.


> Succeeded all too well. Shouldn't "battery" be in there somewhere, too?


"Battery" doesn't appear in the Oregon criminal code. There's just
"assault" in various degrees.

"Assault and battery" is a civil tort but not a criminal offense under
the criminal code.

Peace and justice,



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Old August 18th 07, 08:03 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bill Shatzer
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Mike A Schwab wrote:

> On Aug 18, 11:18 am, "Mike Kruger" > wrote:


>>Michael Warner wrote:


>>>On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:00:28 -0700, Paul Berg wrote:


>>>>>Police arrested Eschweiler and charged him with two counts of
>>>>>attempted assault.


>>>/Attempted/ assault? Sounds like he succeeded.


>>Succeeded all too well. Shouldn't "battery" be in there somewhere, too?


>>Mike Kruger
>>In Puritan New England, Christmas wasn't even a legal holiday until 1856


> I would raise it to attempted vehicular homicide.


The initial charges filed by the police are just to take the guy into
custody and hold him 'til his initial court hearing.

By the time it gets to that point, the file will be reviewed by a
district attorney and a complaint stating the "real" charges will be filed.

Peace and justice,

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Old August 18th 07, 08:20 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Mike Kruger
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S wrote:
> Who the hell was stupid and kicked his truck and WHY?
>
> Somebody apparently did something stupid to cause something a lot more
> stupid. That was jackass and entirely preventable.
>
> No real sympathy for any kickers.


Scale, Bjorn, scale.

"My object all sublime
I shall achieve in time -
To let the punishment fit the crime -
The punishment fit the crime"
- Gilbert and Sullivan


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Old August 18th 07, 08:42 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

On Aug 18, 1:20 pm, "Mike Kruger" > wrote:
> Bjorn Berg f/Fergie Berg and All the Ships at S wrote:
>
> > Who the hell was stupid and kicked his truck and WHY?

>
> > Somebody apparently did something stupid to cause something a lot more
> > stupid. That was jackass and entirely preventable.

>
> > No real sympathy for any kickers.

>
> Scale, Bjorn, scale.
>
> "My object all sublime
> I shall achieve in time -
> To let the punishment fit the crime -
> The punishment fit the crime"
> - Gilbert and Sullivan


Were they heavy too?

Newton's Street Law

For every meaningless one-sided psychotic act of violence there is
something caused by some dumb mofo that could've behaved better and
SURPRIZE!

See also correlates--Darwin's Law

Also A dolt education--the Dolt with seniority teaches the lesson.

You don't act like that in a small town. Why would you do it in
Portland? It's mighty bad, still grow up.

Paul is a pretty good troll. Fergie and I have pondered adopting him
so we could eat our young but we opted for another scoop and chocolate
sauce.

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Old August 18th 07, 09:12 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Paul Berg
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Default Raged motorist strikes two cyclists

~
From The (Portland) Oregonian - August 18, 2007

Portland police say a 47-year-old driver appears to have intentionally
used his car to bowl over two bicyclists who were riding along Southeast
Clinton Street on Friday afternoon.

The cyclists -- Ben Ramsdell, 25, and Timothy Mastne, 41 -- were brought
by ambulance from the 1000 block of Clinton Street to OHSU Hospital with
non-life-threatening injuries.

Police spokesman Sgt. Brian Schmautz said he didn't know what injuries
they suffered.

Schmautz said the driver, Johnny Jerry Eschweiler, was charged with two
counts of attempted first-degree assault and booked into jail Friday
evening.

"Apparently the bicyclists were hit by the car and knocked off,"
Schmautz said. "He (Eschweiler) dragged the bikes about 100 feet before
he came to a stop."

Southeast precinct officers responded to the scene at 12:41 p.m.
Schmautz said it appears the three were arguing, but he wasn't sure if
the dispute started before or after Eschweiler struck the cyclists.

Multnomah County court records show Eschweiler has two traffic tickets,
for failing to obey a traffic-control device in 2000 and speeding in
2005. He paid fines and fees of $135 and $141, respectively.

~

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Old August 18th 07, 10:03 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Paul Berg wrote:
>> ...
>> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy Mastne,
>> were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not life-threatening. Neither
>> cyclist was wearing a helmet.

>
> Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat provides
> little more than bump and scrape protection?



Oh damn, here we go...


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Old August 18th 07, 10:35 PM posted to pdx.general,or.politics,rec.bicycles.misc,alt.true-crime,rec.autos.driving
Bill Sornson
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>> Paul Berg wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The cyclists, 25-year-old Ben Ramsdell and 41-year-old Timothy
>>> Mastne, were taken to OHSU. Their injuries were not
>>> life-threatening. Neither cyclist was wearing a helmet.

>
>> Why is h*lm*t non-use always reported, when a foam bicycle hat
>> provides little more than bump and scrape protection?

>
>
> They seem effective in reducing serious head injuries by up to 85%.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yqk6xl\


Who ya gonna trust? The New England Journal of Medicine or Frankie K. 'n
Johnny Sunset?!? LOL

> You get hit by a Lincoln Navigator doing 35 mph, you're in a world of
> ****, bike helmet or no bike helmet. Hell, at that speed, you're in a
> world of **** even with a motorcycle helmet.
>
> For the more typical low speed accidents and collisions, bike helmets
> are useful though no panacea.


Moderate statements have no place around here. HTH


 




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