Aluminum ALLOY WHEELS RUST NOT!!

On Aluminum/alloy rusting questions asked 2 days ago on this Newsgroup - I
decided to post a new response and thread:

No rust except road salt. Therefore in states/countries with heavy
snowfalls and insane Road departmens using massive amount of road salt, just
got through carwash - UNDERBODY (CHASIS) wash option selected after spending
a long time exposed to road salt. Very imprtant: once winter is over, go
through extensive carwash - UNDERBODY to remove remanants of road salt.
It's the salt that corrodes aluminum but other aggressions are not more
devavsatting than to steel rims.
Again, the biggest killer of aluminumalloys is roadsalt or SIMILAR
SUBSTANCES.

Alloys are lighter hence: save fuel, better acceleration/braking, as of
better looks - I don't care seiously, to me it's about reducing unsprung
weight however cheaper alloys vs. advanced steel obviously don't provide
significant weight reduction/fuel saving - till every drop adds up and if I
already reduced weight to unbelievable figures, I easily pass muscular and
much more powerful cars because all their power is wasted by on moving
weights, I even removed one rear seat (driver's side to balance weight
disrtibution, since drivers side is heavier if you're alone) because I am
alone or 2-3 people max and there's space for 4-5, too much seating space.
I remove even hood supporting rod, and SPARE TIRE (one of th eheaviest
things) because new vehicle is covered by 3-year roadside assiatnce
including flat fix/free towing/ in under 30 minutesI installed and enjoy
alloys since 2 months after pruchasing new Nissan Sentra (2004).

As of mechanical integrity: you need to make intelligent choice. My alloys
are TSW Apex, TSW makes dozens of various styles but most mechanical quality
is Europe's HIGHEST TUV rating.

You cannot steal properly designed alloys: mine come with a nutlock - only I
and wheel manufacturer own an unlocking adapter/code.

And the best Alloys source in my experience was:
www.discounttiredirect.com despite the name Wheels are also their primary
business (tires & wheels separately or in oney-saving packs), all my alloys
are from these people, 2x cheaper than dealer (sometimes nearly 3x cheaper!)
and FREE shipping at the time of my last order (January). Only thing I wish
American were better represented, most wheels from this source are European
(German, British, Swiss, Italian, etc.)

Don't tell me how alloys don't make sense, to me and millions of people they
make mor esense than steel especially as gas prices will rise up to
$4-5/gallon and even if not, I am an environmentalist - if I can reduce
weight/fuel consumption I will make every effort, wheels is one of the
factors in your fuel consumtpion and SAFETY, lighter rotating/unsprung
weight is BETTER... obviously.

And it takes 4-6 years for normal amount of roadsalt+moisture to rot
Aluminum Alloys, so dont complain, if yours are bad it may be cheap/old
make, mine are TSW wheels, specifically APEX model which is discontnued
because seems like TSW constantly throws out new styles and terminates them
as fashions change? Whatever, APEX is not a vanity point of attraction,
looks good b ut not as good as some others but the design I calculated
(engineer here) allows for better weight reduction, even a dork would
understand Apex has fewer spokes so less weight.

And dont worry about aluminum mechanical quality versus steel, even with few
spokes TSW is Europe's HIGHEST TUV rating in this respect (TUV is like ANSI
or something... in USA), very thick rigid spokes, also worthy to mention: I
just dont drive at high speeds into curbside! and I brake for potholes.

Biggest issue with the alloys is care taken when mounting tires not to
damage clear coat and use of coated wheel weights to avoid corrosion
starting at the wheel weight contact point.
"Mark Levitski" > wrote in
message . com...
> And it takes 4-6 years for normal amount of roadsalt+moisture to rot
> Aluminum Alloys, so dont complain, if yours are bad it may be cheap/old
> make, mine are TSW wheels, specifically APEX model which is discontnued
> because seems like TSW constantly throws out new styles and terminates
> them as fashions change? Whatever, APEX is not a vanity point of
> attraction, looks good b ut not as good as some others but the design I
> calculated (engineer here) allows for better weight reduction, even a dork
> would understand Apex has fewer spokes so less weight.
>
> And dont worry about aluminum mechanical quality versus steel, even with
> few spokes TSW is Europe's HIGHEST TUV rating in this respect (TUV is like
> ANSI or something... in USA), very thick rigid spokes, also worthy to
> mention: I just dont drive at high speeds into curbside! and I brake for
> potholes.
>
>



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LOL! For sure they don't. 'Rust' is iron oxide.

The alloy replacement rims on our Cherokee weigh in about twice the
steel ones. They are heavy pigs.

Aluminum also 'corrodes' because of electrolysis due to 'dis-similar'
metals...

You sure have a lot of nothing to say.. Seems like a bad spam
attempt...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mark Levitski wrote:
>
> On Aluminum/alloy rusting questions asked 2 days ago on this Newsgroup - I
> decided to post a new response and thread:
>
> No rust except road salt.
<snip>

Your alloys weigh twice that of STEEL?
Have you been to school? ALuminum, as everyone knows, is lighter and is one
of the lightest/commonly used materials for civil aerospace (military/space
use more expensive composites).

The fact your alloys are TWICE heavier simply indicates:
a) You installed much larger wheels comparing to original steel
b) you saved money and purchasd some lame imitation of true quality Alloys.
A set of 4 alloys costs AT LEAST $600, $1000 for 16+ inch and !200 for
premium, I paid $560 and still an excellent deal on TSW Apex made in
UK/Germany, sold in USA by www.discounttiredirect.com

If you insist on calling me a spammer, I will insist you dont know simple
PHYSICS, aluminum is lighter, what you got is some crappy stupid rims
Perhaps fancy thinck spokes added all that weight, be careful what you buy

Persistent spammer to eh.

The stock Jeep alloy rims are about twice the weight of the stock
stamped steel ones. They have to make them way thicker to hold the
stress that a thin steel rim can take.

You should check the 'real' weights of them out. Stamped steel rims are
light man! Just because one type of material weighs less per volume
doesn't mean it is structurally sound that thin. Aluminum has to be
much thicker to hold the stress that steel of the same basic shape
holds.

Maybe you should be looking into that education you are talking about.
If the place you are spamming for knows as little as you do about the
product, they sure wouldn't be a shop I would buy from.

You aren't doing them any favors that's for sure....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Mark Levitski wrote:
>
> Your alloys weigh twice that of STEEL?
> Have you been to school? ALuminum, as everyone knows, is lighter

<spam snipped>

The stock is from Jeep? They make vehicles, not rims, so you proved my
suspicion: you accepted alloys from a manufacturer NOT known for good rims.

Again www.discounttiredirect.com (others exist, but I used this source)
allows you to SELECT YOUR VEHICLE Make/Model and list all compatible alloys
so if you ever experience damage due to insufficient mechanical integrity it
would be covered under warranty, but I am nto suggesting you will go through
such waste of time because the website will not list something that doesn't
withstand the weight/strees in your specific vehicle.

Another example: with MY OWN "2004 Nissan Sentra"

Nissan offers alloys (their division NISMO accessories) but 17" whereas
stock wheels are 15", I am not a hiphop teenager or someone suffering from
vanity syndrome and my goal is weight reduction rather than huge wheels
wrapped in skinny tires that's an invitation to quick damage on New York
City's wrecked roads. So once I looked at Nissan's (dealer) offerings and
astonishing $1200 cost, I turned to Internet, found this websitge mentioned
above and my God, you can make a very intelligent choice amongst a fozen of
compatible 15", though admittedly they also emphasize plus-size (16"+), so I
found my size, ordered set of 4 for mere $560 (free shipping) brand TSW
(very famous Euro brand), style "Apex" because it offered minimum spokes but
real fat spokes to avoid loss of mechanical rigidity, received and weghed
them. They offered me 9 pounds saving, yes it's not some huge benefit in
fuel effcientcy but every penny saves a dolalr and every pound adds up, and
wheels is just one of the many weight factors.

And my original steel rims were top quality new Nissan rims, year 2004 for
a very light car like Sentra, still I got some savings and looks, though not
target, still looks are something that gets people talking on highways and
my block, everyone made a notice and two people also follwoed and installed
Alloys! Vanity....

"Check the real weights on them"

I SAID WEIGHED THEM AT HOME ON HOUSEHOLD SCALE, OK? I WAS ABLE TO PUT WHOLE
RIM ON FLAT SIDE ON MY SCALE AND SCALE DOESN'T LIE, I GOT SAVING OF 2.5 LBS
ON EACH BECAUSE I AM CHEAP

FOR MORE MONEY YOU CAN GET REAL SAVING AND REAL ALLOYS, OF COURSE MAG WHEELS
IS THE ULTIMATE BUT SUCH ARE THE TYPE THAT YOUR AND OTHERS COMMENT ARE IN
FACT CORRECT, MAG WHEELS ARE EASY TO DAMAGE AND ONLY AFFORDABLE BY
MILLIONAIRS

I weighed my alloys BEFORE installing, when job was done and steel rims
given to me because dealer refused to buy/take them as a credit, I weighed
them also at home, they were noticeably heavier andi bet if wasnt so cheap
with my alloys would get even better weight reduction.

Still I got some lighter, and it FEELS, i swear it's bettter driving not
because of some "psychological" effect

Mark Levitski wrote:

> I weighed my alloys BEFORE installing, when job was done and steel rims
> given to me because dealer refused to buy/take them as a credit, I weighed
> them also at home, they were noticeably heavier andi bet if wasnt so cheap
> with my alloys would get even better weight reduction.
>
> Still I got some lighter, and it FEELS, i swear it's bettter driving not
> because of some "psychological" effect
>

Reducing unsprung weight dramatically improves handling, you would have
to lighten the car about 2x as much in sprung weight to feel the same
gains. Also reduced rotational inertia improves acceleration and
braking. So lighter wheels really do make a big difference.

nate


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