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  #21  
Old September 22nd 07, 05:42 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Dave in Lake Villa
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ADRIAN: 'More than the many many innocent parties that have suffered and
died over the ages because of religious intolerance?'

REPLY: The number of physical deaths associated with religious wars pale
in comparison to the atheistic societies where hundreds of millions were
extinquished (Stalin, Hitler, Mussilini) thru such atheistic
philosophies as 'Survival of the Fittest'). Further, 'religious wars'
were as a result of psuedo-christians asserting them to be in the NAME
of God but were obviously not OF God ... whereas, modern historys
Atheistic mass murders were as a direct result of the actual tenets of
Atheism (eliminating the weaker, human beings having no intrinsic worth
.. just glorified Pond Scum, and certain races resulting from
'defective mutations' ) . Big difference. There is no greater harm to
societys than the Atheistic / Secular Humanist / Sexual Hedonist
variety and the proof for that can be readily seen. And , ill bet it can
be heard in your brand of alternative music than the MaggotPunks play as
well ; its all about glorifying rebellion, immorality, dangerous
illicit sex, and turning to cop-outs (drugs and alchohol) in order to
get by in life.

Now...can you tell the Group why you dont want to live according to
Godly principles for your life when the highest of all moral and ethical
systems come from the Bible as found in the 10 Commandments and Jesus'
teachings ? Do you find morality a fly in your autonomous lifestyle
ointment , and why would this be so ? * No dancing around the matter
please....just come right out and tell us . Can you handle this ?

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  #22  
Old September 22nd 07, 05:57 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
PJ
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Butcher wrote:
>
> "Adrian Miles-Davros" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Dave in Lake Villa" > wrote in message
>>

>
> I'm reluctant to get into this but someone needs to back up Dave after
> being ganged up on like he has, many use religion to do evil things but
> they are not true to God. Do you condemn all government because of a
> few corrupt politicians? The institution can be righteous but the
> people sinners. It's very hard to be good, you all certainly prove
> that. I admire Dave for standing up and being counted he has courage in
> his convictions. Think how Dave feels when you insult him like you
> have, do you have any compassion left for others? Or are you so
> narcissistic that other's feelings mean nothing to you? Can you not
> argue substance without insults?
>
> I apologize to you all for what I've said please don't take it
> personally but I felt it necessary, just think what a new reader of this
> forum would think of Corvette owners after reading your posts in this
> thread...
>
> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE


I don't understand what "non-casual" sex is,
maybe sex that Dave pays for. {:-$

It's a rainy Saturday ...

I think I'll chase the kid's mom about the
house and try for some of that "casual" sex.

--
pj
  #23  
Old September 22nd 07, 06:08 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Ken[_9_]
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On Sep 22, 9:33 am, "Butcher" > wrote:
> "Adrian Miles-Davros" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dave in Lake Villa" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> REPLY: I 'cope' with societal problems by staying close to God in a>
> >> personal relationship ;

>
> > No! You have a personal relationship with your version of dog, because you
> > are incapable of forming normal human relationships.

>
> > In exactly the same way you have a sexual relationship with your hands
> > because you are incapable of having one with any normal human being.

>
> > ALL of our cultures moral degradation can be > traced to when America
> > turned its back on God and Godly principles for > living, in favor of
> > becoming a secular nation of hedonism.

>
> > And again what proof do you have of this?

>
> >> Sadly , many many innocent parties get affected when a nation chooses to
> >> > go the moral sewer route. >

>
> > More than the many many innocent parties that have suffered and died over
> > the ages because of religious intolerance?

>
> I'm reluctant to get into this but someone needs to back up Dave after being
> ganged up on like he has, many use religion to do evil things but they are
> not true to God. Do you condemn all government because of a few corrupt
> politicians? The institution can be righteous but the people sinners. It's
> very hard to be good, you all certainly prove that. I admire Dave for
> standing up and being counted he has courage in his convictions. Think how
> Dave feels when you insult him like you have, do you have any compassion
> left for others? Or are you so narcissistic that other's feelings mean
> nothing to you? Can you not argue substance without insults?
>
> I apologize to you all for what I've said please don't take it personally
> but I felt it necessary, just think what a new reader of this forum would
> think of Corvette owners after reading your posts in this thread...
>
> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE


Total Horse Pucky!

You must not be aware of dave's history of unwanted unneeded
unnecessary unwelcome bible thumping/preaching in here.....a
fundamentalistn zealot and he deservedly reaps what he has sown
Even gone as far to chastise others for OT posting, but always excuse
himself for the same c**p
And I'm sorry for intruding in the group.........K

  #24  
Old September 22nd 07, 06:47 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Dad[_1_]
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"PJ" > wrote in message
...
> Butcher wrote:
>>

Snip
>
> I don't understand what "non-casual" sex is, maybe sex that Dave
> pays for. {:-$
>
> It's a rainy Saturday ...
>
> I think I'll chase the kid's mom about the house and try for some of
> that "casual" sex.
>

OMG, you mean you don't know that casual sex is when you take your tie
off????

Where have you been......... ;-))

  #25  
Old September 22nd 07, 07:51 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Dad[_1_]
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"Butcher" > wrote in message
. net...
>

Snip
>
> I'm reluctant to get into this but someone needs to back up Dave
> after being ganged up on like he has, many use religion to do evil
> things but they are not true to God.


Can't agree more, and have never seen why dave has been such a back
slider.

>Do you condemn all government because of a few corrupt politicians?
>The institution can be righteous but the people sinners.


Again you're right on the mark.

> It's very hard to be good, you all certainly prove that.


Now if dave would just listen to us he could turn it around.

>I admire Dave for standing up and being counted he has courage in his
>convictions. Think how Dave feels when you insult him like you have,
>do you have any compassion left for others?


Certainly, if I didn't I would have made more of an effort to go over
there and kick his ass, but that's not my nature. Turn the other
cheek, something I learned from an old book, but becareful which cheek
you turn.

>Or are you so narcissistic that other's feelings mean nothing to you?


Narcissism describes the character trait of self love. In psychology
and psychiatry, excessive narcissism is recognized as a severe
personality dysfunction or personality disorder, most
characteristically Narcissistic personality disorder, also referred to
as NPD.

Sigmund Freud believed that some narcissism is an essential part of
all of us from birth and was the first to use the term in the
reference to psychology. I feel you should have just enough love for
yourself that you don't become closed minded.
>Can you not argue substance without insults?


Most of the time, and when dave shows up with some it will limit the
insults.


> I apologize to you all for what I've said please don't take it
> personally but I felt it necessary, just think what a new reader of
> this forum would think of Corvette owners after reading your posts
> in this thread...


Now why would being a Corvette owner have anything to do with his
posts any more than being a Yugo owner? Narcissism at it's best.

> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE


Stick around, he gets better with age, like cheese. Check around on
some of his aliases and see what other don't put up with. Care to
venture a guess why he needs so many aliases? I've had 3 and have been
on the net since billboards were the only way to communicate.

Daveinlakevilla, daveinIllinois, HVACfella, itisdave, advicegiver4U,
fast1970vette, filthpolice, MsMaryPoppins, DNandB, decencyadvocate,
godisnumerouno, swavedave, hellofriend, savedbygod, RvingisAlotofFun,
and AreYouChangedByGod.

Enjoy your Corvette....

--
Dad
05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51
72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
64 Red/red/white top/4spd

  #26  
Old September 22nd 07, 09:15 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Adrian Miles-Davros
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"Butcher" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> "Adrian Miles-Davros" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Dave in Lake Villa" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> REPLY: I 'cope' with societal problems by staying close to God in a>
>>> personal relationship ;

>>
>> No! You have a personal relationship with your version of dog, because
>> you are incapable of forming normal human relationships.
>>
>> In exactly the same way you have a sexual relationship with your hands
>> because you are incapable of having one with any normal human being.
>>
>> ALL of our cultures moral degradation can be > traced to when America
>> turned its back on God and Godly principles for > living, in favor of
>> becoming a secular nation of hedonism.
>>
>> And again what proof do you have of this?
>>
>>> Sadly , many many innocent parties get affected when a nation chooses to
>>> > go the moral sewer route. >

>>
>> More than the many many innocent parties that have suffered and died over
>> the ages because of religious intolerance?
>>

>
> I'm reluctant to get into this but someone needs to back up Dave after
> being ganged up on like he has, many use religion to do evil things but
> they are not true to God. Do you condemn all government because of a few
> corrupt politicians? The institution can be righteous but the people
> sinners. It's very hard to be good, you all certainly prove that. I
> admire Dave for standing up and being counted he has courage in his
> convictions. Think how Dave feels when you insult him like you have, do
> you have any compassion left for others? Or are you so narcissistic that
> other's feelings mean nothing to you? Can you not argue substance without
> insults?
>
> I apologize to you all for what I've said please don't take it personally
> but I felt it necessary, just think what a new reader of this forum would
> think of Corvette owners after reading your posts in this thread...
>
> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE


Lol! Butcher, Dave and I go way back, three years at least....

I however haven't posted anything for the past twelve months, but just
casually glancing at the forums I find Dave is still posting the same
garbage, which I do totally agree is not relevant here in this group, and
neither is it relevant in many of the groups which Dave disrupts through his
OT postings.

So having the time I decided to just fire a shot across his bows and let him
know I was still about.

But having said that I have in the past attempted to debate with substance
and rationally with Dave and never has he ever given a direct answer to any
challenge, preferring to resort to rhetoric or quotations from pseudo
christian science comics, or indeed statements he has attributed to leading
scientists which when investigated turn out to be completely false.

You cannot argue substance with someone who never has any substance in his
arguments.

As for insults; Dave insulted me the very first time I ever posted anything
in public newsgroups, and he has consistently insulted me ever since.

I simply carried on where we left off, but I have no intention of getting
into a debate or even a slanging match with Dave in this group, other than
to answer his post further on, as this is not the forum for it.


  #27  
Old September 22nd 07, 11:54 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
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On Sep 20, 5:06 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:

REPLY: Shove what ?!

Your head up your A** (unless someone's already in there!)

I live by the lake, drop in sometime
Hugs and Kisses, Brianna

www.brianabanks.com

  #28  
Old September 23rd 07, 12:02 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
Dave in Lake Villa
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'Lol! Butcher, Dave and I go way back, three years at least....'

REPLY: CLoser to 5, id say .

'and neither is it relevant in many of the groups which Dave disrupts
through his OT postings.'

REPLY: 1. I wasnt the Original Poster of this thread. 2. I responded
to the Original Posters text which is ON his topic .

'So having the time I decided to just fire a shot across his bows and
let him know I was still about.'

REPLY: Your shot blew up in the canon before it left the ship and your
ship is sinking fast ; Ive tried to throw you a Life Preserver in the
past, but you dont seem to think you have any problem. Including being a
Sinner even.

'I have in the past attempted to debate with substance and rationally
with Dave '

REPLY: Illustrated example :

1. Tries to pretend that very personal innate qualities of a human being
such as abstract thoughts, moral oughtness, ethical systems, compassion,
empathy, et al ... came from NON personal material such as Hydrogen Gas
, rocks, dirt, and planets.

2. Tries to pretend that the vast array of scientifically confirmed
specified complexity such as Human DNA can come about from the
atmosphere when even its founder, atheist Dr. Francis Crick , boldly
declared that it is IMPOSSIBLE for DNA to have arrived by accident from
the atmosphere.

3. Tries to pretend that the scientifically confirmed 133 (so far
discovered) parameters of our Solar System which are all needed
simultaneously / working in conjunction with one another , so earth can
be here so we can live on it....came about thru 'natural , accidental
,non intelligent' sources purely by chance by NOTHING for no good
reason.

4. Tries to pretend that there are no absolute moral laws which he has
to live by ... even though he expects and demands others treat himself
with absolute morality (and all the time) .

'As for insults; Dave insulted me the very first time I ever posted
anything in public newsgroups, and he has consistently insulted me ever
since.'

REPLY: Hardly Adrian ; But i have shown you , succintly, how much
pretend faith you have to have as a professed Atheist.

'I simply carried on where we left off, but I have no intention of
getting into a debate or even a slanging match with Dave '

REPLY: You said you were finished a year ago ; Welcome back, but,
dont complain if i suggest that you still need a Life Preserver with the
name Jesus on it.

  #29  
Old September 23rd 07, 12:07 AM posted to alt.autos.corvette
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Old September 23rd 07, 03:02 PM posted to alt.autos.corvette
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"Dad" > wrote in message
...
> "Butcher" > wrote in message
> . net...
>>

> Snip
>>
>> I'm reluctant to get into this but someone needs to back up Dave after
>> being ganged up on like he has, many use religion to do evil things but
>> they are not true to God.

>
> Can't agree more, and have never seen why dave has been such a back
> slider.
>
>>Do you condemn all government because of a few corrupt politicians? The
>>institution can be righteous but the people sinners.

>
> Again you're right on the mark.
>
>> It's very hard to be good, you all certainly prove that.

>
> Now if dave would just listen to us he could turn it around.
>
>>I admire Dave for standing up and being counted he has courage in his
>>convictions. Think how Dave feels when you insult him like you have, do
>>you have any compassion left for others?

>
> Certainly, if I didn't I would have made more of an effort to go over
> there and kick his ass, but that's not my nature. Turn the other cheek,
> something I learned from an old book, but becareful which cheek you turn.
>
>>Or are you so narcissistic that other's feelings mean nothing to you?

>
> Narcissism describes the character trait of self love. In psychology and
> psychiatry, excessive narcissism is recognized as a severe personality
> dysfunction or personality disorder, most characteristically Narcissistic
> personality disorder, also referred to as NPD.
>
> Sigmund Freud believed that some narcissism is an essential part of all of
> us from birth and was the first to use the term in the reference to
> psychology. I feel you should have just enough love for yourself that you
> don't become closed minded.
>>Can you not argue substance without insults?

>
> Most of the time, and when dave shows up with some it will limit the
> insults.
>
>
>> I apologize to you all for what I've said please don't take it personally
>> but I felt it necessary, just think what a new reader of this forum would
>> think of Corvette owners after reading your posts in this thread...

>
> Now why would being a Corvette owner have anything to do with his posts
> any more than being a Yugo owner? Narcissism at it's best.
>
>> Butcher
>> '96 LT-4 CE

>
> Stick around, he gets better with age, like cheese. Check around on some
> of his aliases and see what other don't put up with. Care to venture a
> guess why he needs so many aliases? I've had 3 and have been on the net
> since billboards were the only way to communicate.
>
> Daveinlakevilla, daveinIllinois, HVACfella, itisdave, advicegiver4U,
> fast1970vette, filthpolice, MsMaryPoppins, DNandB, decencyadvocate,
> godisnumerouno, swavedave, hellofriend, savedbygod, RvingisAlotofFun, and
> AreYouChangedByGod.
>
> Enjoy your Corvette....
>
> --
> Dad
> 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51
> 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
> 64 Red/red/white top/4spd


You make some good points I am new to this forum and newsgroups in general I
don't know the history but what I've seen lately is Dave arguing facts and
others just insulting him back, kinda makes me think these insults from
Corvette owners are indicative of Vette owners in general and I didn't like
it as a new owner myself. Kinda like the "you meet the nicest people on a
Honda" slogan of the sixties vs. the Hell's Angels of the seventies, as a
bike rider for 42 years I'd rather be associated with the former rather than
the latter. I thought Corvette owners were supposed to smile and wave at
each other, not insult them and give them the finger.

As to the narcissistic comment I meant it as excessive self-admiration and
self-centeredness not in the clinical way of overestimation of
attractiveness (well maybe when in a Vette,hehe) and the excessive need of
admiration especially in a sexual way, of course we all have to love
ourselves to be able to love others but the excess leads us to arrogance and
the lack of care for other's feelings, even to the point of trying to hurt
others. We have that wonderful automobile in common wanted to think of
ourselves as a kind of 'family', albeit with a few black sheep in it. I'd
like to say it would be nice to have a beer with the posters here but the
vitriol I've seen makes me think twice about some. Perhaps this forum is
not the place for societal arguments and no one likes to be preached to but
Dave does make some valid points about the decay of our culture.

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE

 




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