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  #61  
Old September 9th 07, 04:42 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Default OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally off-the-wall tires

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:46:49 -0500, * wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <Y3HEi.1602$Ic3.1251@trndny09>...
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:28:27 -0500, * wrote:
>>
>> >> > Undeniable fact?? Usually the stuff you put out is more or less
>> > correct
>> >> > (bravado and SOB-ness not withstanding), but I need to see a legit
>> >> > reference for this one.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I also want to see what's Horse Schidt about a manufacturer's
>> >> recommendation for rim widths.
>> >>
>> >> I'll take their word first...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I've just answered Mr. Meyer's question.........
>> >
>> > When can I expect you to answer the questions I have posed to you?

>>
>>
>> Damn, Sam, if you're such an expert, you should know what I'm talking
>> about!
>>
>>
>>
>>

> You are, without a doubt, the MASTER of the non-answer.



And you wasted three responses on the same post.

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  #62  
Old September 9th 07, 04:45 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Default OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally off-the-wall tires

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:01:46 -0500, * wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <s6HEi.1603$Ic3.735@trndny09>...
>
>
>> Yeah. It ain't too hard to figure out...
>>
>>
>>
>>

> If it's all so simple, and you have it "figured out", why do you feel
> compelled to ask about it on an internet group?



Perhaps a poorly worded post, and an even more poorly worded response.

I was wondering more about how the characteristics of the car's
performance changed.

And you can't figure out what I mean by staying 'within a percentage of
OEM spcification'?


>
> Sounds as though its too hard for YOU to figure out with your extensive
> training and background in tires.
>
> What did you mean by "....a certain percentage of OEM spec....."?


  #63  
Old September 9th 07, 08:59 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <jyUEi.2939$jn3.2525@trndny05>...
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:01:46 -0500, * wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article

<s6HEi.1603$Ic3.735@trndny09>...
> >
> >
> >> Yeah. It ain't too hard to figure out...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> > If it's all so simple, and you have it "figured out", why do you feel
> > compelled to ask about it on an internet group?

>
>
> Perhaps a poorly worded post, and an even more poorly worded response.
>
> I was wondering more about how the characteristics of the car's
> performance changed.
>
> And you can't figure out what I mean by staying 'within a percentage of
> OEM spcification'?
>
>



Okay, I'll play along with your assinine game.....one more time, then I'm
gonna' let you troll on........


Exactly what OEM specifications are you talking about? What are you
allegedly applying these acceptable percentages to?

Tire size....?

Circumference....?

Cross section....?

Sidewall height....?

Sidewall flex.....?

Tread Squirm....?

Bead concentricity.....?

Carbon black content.....?

Cord material....? (How do you figure a percentage on one fiber versus
another?)

Slip angle....?

Coefficient of friction....? (Of course, if you even considered this - and
assured yourself that your new tires were within an acceptable percentage
of the OEM tires - you wouldn't have had to ask your original questions
concerning traction.)


And, where are you coming up with both the OEM specifications and those of
the tires you are considering as replacements?

You're a bullschidter.........
  #64  
Old September 9th 07, 09:29 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Default OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally off-the-wall tires

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:59:25 -0500, * wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <jyUEi.2939$jn3.2525@trndny05>...
>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:01:46 -0500, * wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article

> <s6HEi.1603$Ic3.735@trndny09>...
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yeah. It ain't too hard to figure out...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > If it's all so simple, and you have it "figured out", why do you feel
>> > compelled to ask about it on an internet group?

>>
>>
>> Perhaps a poorly worded post, and an even more poorly worded response.
>>
>> I was wondering more about how the characteristics of the car's
>> performance changed.
>>
>> And you can't figure out what I mean by staying 'within a percentage of
>> OEM spcification'?
>>
>>
>>

>
> Okay, I'll play along with your assinine game.....one more time, then I'm
> gonna' let you troll on........
>
>
> Exactly what OEM specifications are you talking about? What are you
> allegedly applying these acceptable percentages to?
>
> Tire size....?
>
> Circumference....?
>
> Cross section....?
>
> Sidewall height....?
>
> Sidewall flex.....?
>
> Tread Squirm....?
>
> Bead concentricity.....?
>
> Carbon black content.....?
>
> Cord material....? (How do you figure a percentage on one fiber versus
> another?)
>
> Slip angle....?
>
> Coefficient of friction....? (Of course, if you even considered this - and
> assured yourself that your new tires were within an acceptable percentage
> of the OEM tires - you wouldn't have had to ask your original questions
> concerning traction.)
>
>
> And, where are you coming up with both the OEM specifications and those of
> the tires you are considering as replacements?
>
> You're a bullschidter.........



OK...you've proven you're not really much other than a trool yourself, so
if I have to spell it out for you:

The Mazda is a stock '89 626 with no modifications. As the header in the
original message says, "OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally
off-the-wall tires"

The manufacturer specifies a certain tire size for a number of reasons.
The original spec on this car was 185/70-14, 195/60-14 or 195/60-15.
The DX (the one I have) got the 185 tires, the top model got the 15s.

This has a lot to do with a lot of things: speedo accuracy, sterring and
suspension geometry, etc. According to different tire size calculators I
have seen, I am running a tire that is 6% lower than 'spec'.

So, I don't know what this means in terms of steering and suspension
goemetry. It does throw my speedo off...by 6%. Also should throw the
odometer off by 6%; however, where the odometer was reading lower than
actual mileage, it is now correct.

Also in the mix is the drivablility response of the car. Prviously I had
to downshift to get up short, steep grades; now I can take those same
grades in 4th gear and sometimes even have some acceleration to spare.
Overall performance of the car has increased considerably, to where it
actually feels like a car with 145 HP under the hood, whereas before
acceleration was sluggish and often had to drop a gear to reach speed.


But, if you had read the original post, you would have seen these were my
original concerns, instead of jumping into a thread halfway.


  #65  
Old September 10th 07, 01:41 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <DIYEi.347$Z33.129@trndny08>...
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:59:25 -0500, * wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article

<jyUEi.2939$jn3.2525@trndny05>...
> >> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:01:46 -0500, * wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article

> > <s6HEi.1603$Ic3.735@trndny09>...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah. It ain't too hard to figure out...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > If it's all so simple, and you have it "figured out", why do you

feel
> >> > compelled to ask about it on an internet group?
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps a poorly worded post, and an even more poorly worded response.
> >>
> >> I was wondering more about how the characteristics of the car's
> >> performance changed.
> >>
> >> And you can't figure out what I mean by staying 'within a percentage

of
> >> OEM spcification'?
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> > Okay, I'll play along with your assinine game.....one more time, then

I'm
> > gonna' let you troll on........
> >
> >
> > Exactly what OEM specifications are you talking about? What are you
> > allegedly applying these acceptable percentages to?
> >
> > Tire size....?
> >
> > Circumference....?
> >
> > Cross section....?
> >
> > Sidewall height....?
> >
> > Sidewall flex.....?
> >
> > Tread Squirm....?
> >
> > Bead concentricity.....?
> >
> > Carbon black content.....?
> >
> > Cord material....? (How do you figure a percentage on one fiber versus
> > another?)
> >
> > Slip angle....?
> >
> > Coefficient of friction....? (Of course, if you even considered this -

and
> > assured yourself that your new tires were within an acceptable

percentage
> > of the OEM tires - you wouldn't have had to ask your original questions
> > concerning traction.)
> >
> >
> > And, where are you coming up with both the OEM specifications and those

of
> > the tires you are considering as replacements?
> >
> > You're a bullschidter.........

>
>
> OK...you've proven you're not really much other than a trool yourself, so
> if I have to spell it out for you:
>
> The Mazda is a stock '89 626 with no modifications. As the header in the
> original message says, "OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally
> off-the-wall tires"
>
> The manufacturer specifies a certain tire size for a number of reasons.
> The original spec on this car was 185/70-14, 195/60-14 or 195/60-15.
> The DX (the one I have) got the 185 tires, the top model got the 15s.
>
> This has a lot to do with a lot of things: speedo accuracy, sterring and
> suspension geometry, etc. According to different tire size calculators I
> have seen, I am running a tire that is 6% lower than 'spec'.
>
> So, I don't know what this means in terms of steering and suspension
> goemetry. It does throw my speedo off...by 6%. Also should throw the
> odometer off by 6%; however, where the odometer was reading lower than
> actual mileage, it is now correct.
>
> Also in the mix is the drivablility response of the car. Prviously I had
> to downshift to get up short, steep grades; now I can take those same
> grades in 4th gear and sometimes even have some acceleration to spare.
> Overall performance of the car has increased considerably, to where it
> actually feels like a car with 145 HP under the hood, whereas before
> acceleration was sluggish and often had to drop a gear to reach speed.
>
>
> But, if you had read the original post, you would have seen these were my
> original concerns, instead of jumping into a thread halfway.
>
>
>




THIRD responder to your original post is ".......jumping into a thread
halfway."?

You've just confirmed what I thought. You REALLY do NOT understand
percentages and such....


Thank You!


  #66  
Old September 10th 07, 10:19 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:41:55 -0500, * wrote:

>> Also in the mix is the drivablility response of the car. Prviously I had
>> to downshift to get up short, steep grades; now I can take those same
>> grades in 4th gear and sometimes even have some acceleration to spare.
>> Overall performance of the car has increased considerably, to where it
>> actually feels like a car with 145 HP under the hood, whereas before
>> acceleration was sluggish and often had to drop a gear to reach speed.
>>
>>
>> But, if you had read the original post, you would have seen these were
>> my original concerns, instead of jumping into a thread halfway.
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
> THIRD responder to your original post is ".......jumping into a thread
> halfway."?
>
> You've just confirmed what I thought. You REALLY do NOT understand
> percentages and such....
>
>
> Thank You!



Oh, who gives a flying ****?!

All I wanted to know was what I reiterated above. FOAD.


  #67  
Old September 11th 07, 02:55 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <axiFi.1207$rw3.381@trndny04>...
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:41:55 -0500, * wrote:
>
> >> Also in the mix is the drivablility response of the car. Prviously I

had
> >> to downshift to get up short, steep grades; now I can take those same
> >> grades in 4th gear and sometimes even have some acceleration to spare.
> >> Overall performance of the car has increased considerably, to where it
> >> actually feels like a car with 145 HP under the hood, whereas before
> >> acceleration was sluggish and often had to drop a gear to reach speed.
> >>
> >>
> >> But, if you had read the original post, you would have seen these were
> >> my original concerns, instead of jumping into a thread halfway.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> >
> > THIRD responder to your original post is ".......jumping into a thread
> > halfway."?
> >
> > You've just confirmed what I thought. You REALLY do NOT understand
> > percentages and such....
> >
> >
> > Thank You!

>
>
> Oh, who gives a flying ****?!
>
> All I wanted to know was what I reiterated above. FOAD.
>
>
>


Apology accepted!
  #68  
Old September 12th 07, 02:24 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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Default OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally off-the-wall tires

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:55:37 -0500, * wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article <axiFi.1207$rw3.381@trndny04>...
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:41:55 -0500, * wrote:
>>
>> >> Also in the mix is the drivablility response of the car. Prviously I

> had
>> >> to downshift to get up short, steep grades; now I can take those same
>> >> grades in 4th gear and sometimes even have some acceleration to
>> >> spare. Overall performance of the car has increased considerably, to
>> >> where it actually feels like a car with 145 HP under the hood,
>> >> whereas before acceleration was sluggish and often had to drop a gear
>> >> to reach speed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But, if you had read the original post, you would have seen these
>> >> were my original concerns, instead of jumping into a thread halfway.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > THIRD responder to your original post is ".......jumping into a thread
>> > halfway."?
>> >
>> > You've just confirmed what I thought. You REALLY do NOT understand
>> > percentages and such....
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank You!

>>
>>
>> Oh, who gives a flying ****?!
>>
>> All I wanted to know was what I reiterated above. FOAD.
>>
>>
>>
>>

> Apology accepted!


I had an absolutely rotten day today.

I expected you to come back with a smart-ass remark whereupon I was going
to let loose you didn't know what I was talking about, yada, yada, yada...

However, this gave me the first friggin' *LAUGH* I had all day!

Apology accepted? Say. you aren't the guy in the parking booth at the
University parking garage that wasn't going to give me my car 'cause I was
$0.75 short, are you?!



  #69  
Old September 12th 07, 03:08 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.tech
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:24:02 GMT, Hachiroku ???? >
wrote:

>> Apology accepted!

>
>I had an absolutely rotten day today.
>
>I expected you to come back with a smart-ass remark whereupon I was going
>to let loose you didn't know what I was talking about, yada, yada, yada...
>
>However, this gave me the first friggin' *LAUGH* I had all day!
>
>Apology accepted? Say. you aren't the guy in the parking booth at the
>University parking garage that wasn't going to give me my car 'cause I was
>$0.75 short, are you?!
>
>

Mr. Hachiroku,

Live is too short to waste any of it on dumb-asses. Let him have his
ego and you and I move on to bigger and better things.

Jack


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